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There's no realistic way of getting Schenn for Versteeg. Not in any sane mind's universe let alone one of the singularly most patient GM's in the league in Dean Lombardi. Look how many years he has been content for Los Angeles to miss the post-season.
 
Schenn should be more realistic than JVR, who has NHL experience and already demonstrated some scoring ability.

And having gone to the SC final last year, Philly won't be as desperate as LA (however desperate that may be) to peddle top tier prospects.

LA, if it wants to make an impact this year, has to add some pieces, and given that they're pretty strong down the middle, might just be tempted to part with Brayden.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that we pry him loose with a package of Versteeg, Gunnar, Sjostrom and maybe even Giggy.

They're not giving up much youth in that case, and they're getting a ton of playoff experience.
 
damn I didn't realise JVR is only 21. young kid... 6, 3 though. Philli has alot of youth that they will have to pay sooner or later, getting a still young player with playoff experience may be beneficial for them.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
We've been over this many times. Aside from the Phaneuf trade, quantity for quality trades are simply incredibly rare.
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I think it's a quality for quality trade, there just happens to be more bodies from our side.

Versteeg would be a big pick up for them, and he's only 25. Gunnar could be a second pairing guy for years. Sjostrom would give them depth and a PK boost, and Giggy playoff experience should one of their kids falter, and both would be UFAs at the end of the year, so no commitment there.

And while Schenn is touted, he's still just a prospect, and frankly from the times I've seen him play, I haven't been totally wowed by him. But I'll buy into the hype and take a shot on him being the #1 center we need so badly.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Schenn should be more realistic than JVR, who has NHL experience and already demonstrated some scoring ability.

And having gone to the SC final last year, Philly won't be as desperate as LA (however desperate that may be) to peddle top tier prospects.

LA, if it wants to make an impact this year, has to add some pieces, and given that they're pretty strong down the middle, might just be tempted to part with Brayden.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that we pry him loose with a package of Versteeg, Gunnar, Sjostrom and maybe even Giggy.

They're not giving up much youth in that case, and they're getting a ton of playoff experience.
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good lord

gunner has little value

giggy has no value

sjostrom has no value

versteeg is nice but not a guy you trade your top prospect for.

Would you deal Nazek Kadri for a package centered around Jarrett Stoll?
 
As far as JVR and Philly goes.

I really think they are the most complete team out there not named Vancouver. I see no reason for them to make a move of this magnitude, they also have little to no cap room.

IMO a veteren net presence at best.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Getting JVR would be a ****ing COUP. He has John Leclaire-esque top-end power forward potential. People tend to overlook the fact that power forwards develop incredibly slowly and tend to stagnate offensively over their first three or four seasons in the league (a trend which one can see with Leclair, Todd Bertuzzi, Shane Doan, Jarome Iginla, Keith Tkachuck and other elite names).

But make no mistake: this kid could become a 30/60 player very soon. Even if he only turns into Nathan Horton that's a very good hockey player and a much more valuable asset and better fit for this roster in the near-future than Versteeg.
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The nicest goal I've ever seen scored in person was by JVR in overtime 2009 WJC vs Czech Republic.
 
JVR just isn't that good right now. Philly could win a cup this year. I could easily see them move him for a better player.
 
The problem with JVR is that power forwards are notoriously unreliable, and so you're looking at three possible outcomes here:

Worst case - Chris Gratton
Likely case - Nathan Horton
Optimal case - John Leclair
 
leafman101 said:
JVR just isn't that good right now. Philly could win a cup this year. I could easily see them move him for a better player.
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I don't see the need...THe Forwards are more or less the same as last year and were good enough. I don't think they give up a kid like that for a minor upgrade in a spot they might not need.

If they found a way to dangle him and some salary for Vokoun....then i could start believing.
 
@incarceratedbob: Leafs have had over 8 teams inquire about Versteeg and right now LA Kings / Flyers / Dallas all are bidding”
 
Jonas is right, Versteeg for JVR really makes zero sense from Philly's standpoint.......but crazier things have happened.
 
The more I see Versteeg play the more I am fine trading him. As somebody else mentioned when he is playing well he is very effective but when he is not, he us useless.

He is a second line guy, we already have a second line with better players. I would say packaging him off.
 
Versteeg had a pretty big impact on the Hawks cup run.

Yeah, JVR is a great young prospect. But they are trying to win a cup here. That is what is most important. They have to win while their window is still open. Pronger and Briere are getting up there. They are right up against the cap and Carle, Timmonen, Hartnell, Coburn, Lieno, JVRs contracts all come up in the next 3 years. They have a good 2-3 year window here, but this year is probably their best shot before they start to lose guys.

Paul Holmgren would be doing a diservice to his team if he didn't go for it.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
good lord

gunner has little value

giggy has no value

sjostrom has no value

versteeg is nice but not a guy you trade your top prospect for.

Would you deal Nazek Kadri for a package centered around Jarrett Stoll?
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Versteeg >> Stoll, and significantly younger.

Gunnarson is a very good dman with big upside.

Sjostrom is a good role player, and Giggy is an excellent insurance policy in goal.
 
Oh its Schenn all right. But he will take JVR if he has to. He doesn't want to come out of the gate as Smurf city next year.
 
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