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And M.E. you ever lost a son and a wife in three years? Its NOT good. And it sure doesn't help in running a team that is curse and fawked to begin with.
 
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Ok...I'll weigh in from Sask on speculation Leafs are closing in on Bernier deal. Burke says they're not even talking with LA. As you were.
 
BG said:
From what I read, Holgren wrote the offer sheet to guarantee that Weber couldn't be traded to anywhere but Philly. It basically gave the Flyers exclusive trading rights.
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When Philly wrote the offer sheet to Weber he guarantee'd that Weber would not be traded period. Can't trade a player's rights when hes signed to an offer sheet nor for a year afterwards if said team matches the offer sheet. Philly took a gamble signing Weber to the offer sheet and it back fired.

Maybe in a year if Weber asks for a trade Philly might be interested again, but so will a lot of other teams.

In leaf news...

TORONTO -- Veteran defenceman Steve Staios is retiring and moving into the Toronto Maple Leafs' front office.

The Hamilton native, who spent 18 seasons in the NHL, has been named Toronto's new player development adviser.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/07/25/staios_retires_maple_leafs_front_office/
 
Holmgren was open to the option of continuing trade discussions (assuming Nashville didn't match). Essentially Nashville would be awarded the RFA compensation (4x first rounders), and the Flyers would trade players for their picks.
 
BG said:
Holmgren was open to the option of continuing trade discussions (assuming Nashville didn't match). Essentially Nashville would be awarded the RFA compensation (4x first rounders), and the Flyers would trade players for their picks.
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Yeah I was surprised to see Philly would be willing to make a trade if Nashville didn't match. They took such a huge risk though when it was widely known Nashville would match any offer sheet. Now there's no trade to be made lol
 
No skin off Holmgren's ass, Nashville holds all the cards on their RFA.

By issuing the Offer sheet, Holmgren assured that he was either a Flyer or a Pred.
 
Philly beat writer confirmed from two seperate sources that no trade talks took place between the Preds and Flyers....seems that was all based purely on speculation.
 
Blueman said:
Jamie Benn is much better than JVR. This is coming from the biggest JVR fan on this board. Benn could hit 90 points this year. JVR has potential, but come on JVR is <<< Benn.
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Benn's good but he's not even close to being 90 points good.

He is what he is. A solid 70 point guy who can play multiple positions. JVR has comparable upside.
 
Benn's only 23 years old, and he's already hit pretty lofty offensive totals. His upside is higher than 70 points, he's already there in his early 20's.
 
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Benn (22): 71 gms, 26 gls, 63 pts (82 gms, 30 gls, 73 pts)
Benn (21): 69 gms, 22 gls, 56 pts (82 gms, 26 gls, 67 pts)
Benn (20): 82 gms, 22 gls, 41 pts (82 gms, 22 gls, 41 pts)



You'd have to give up Kessel to get him, and even that might not be enough because he can play C.

He's an ideal fit given his size, age, style and production. I'd offer sheet him.
 
teeds said:
And M.E. you ever lost a son and a wife in three years? Its NOT good. And it sure doesn't help in running a team that is curse and fawked to begin with.
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"curses" are for children and idiots.

No, it's not good that Burke has significant personal issues to deal with between the loss of his son and now the very public problems in his marriage. But, he has an excellent hockey staff surrounding him that he's been building since he took the job to balance him out and support him. I'm not concerned. Every objective measure points to this club being on the upswing at some point in the not so distant future.

- Stanley Cup winning GM
- Stanley Cup winning coach
- One of the youngest groups in the league, with 3 blue chip prospects within 2-3 years of starting to make an impact
- 24 year old stud PPG winger
- 27 year old #1 defender
- Richest organization in the league
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Benn's only 23 years old, and he's already hit pretty lofty offensive totals. His upside is higher than 70 points, he's already there in his early 20's.
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His junior totals suggest otherwise. I'm a big proponent of early development production to judge future totals and I don't think he's more than a 70 point man.

I'd be very surprised if he accomplished otherwise. It's the same reason we have our bet about Jordan Staal reaching/not reaching 70 points.

PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Benn (22): 71 gms, 26 gls, 63 pts (82 gms, 30 gls, 73 pts)
Benn (21): 69 gms, 22 gls, 56 pts (82 gms, 26 gls, 67 pts)
Benn (20): 82 gms, 22 gls, 41 pts (82 gms, 22 gls, 41 pts)



You'd have to give up Kessel to get him, and even that might not be enough because he can play C.

He's an ideal fit given his size, age, style and production. I'd offer sheet him.
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There's no need to be hyperbolic.

Kessel can play centre as well, and Benn is only playing that position because Dallas has no centres of any note and their best centre prospects (Shore, Winther, etc.) were only just drafted a month ago.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
His junior totals suggest otherwise. I'm a big proponent of early development production to judge future totals and I don't think he's more than a 70 point man.

I'd be very surprised if he accomplished otherwise. It's the same reason we have our bet about Jordan Staal reaching/not reaching 70 points.
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Junior totals are nice, but I will take 3 years of NHL totals over them.



There's no need to be hyperbolic.

Kessel can play centre as well, and Benn is only playing that position because Dallas has no centres of any note and their best centre prospects (Shore, Winther, etc.) were only just drafted a month ago.
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Versatility is a very big asset. He can play any forward position. That adds to his value somewhat.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Junior totals are nice, but I will take 3 years of NHL totals over them.
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And the numbers suggest he isn't yet a 70 point player. He has yet to hit that threshold.

Versatility is a very big asset. He can play any forward position. That adds to his value somewhat.
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I agree, but not to the degree that you are suggesting. He's an outstanding young player, but I don't think he's in the Stamkos, Crosby, Backstrom, Sedin, etc. type 90+ point forwards.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
And the numbers suggest he isn't yet a 70 point player. He has yet to hit that threshold.
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He has 119 points in 140 games over the last 2 years, what kind of player is he?



I agree, but not to the degree that you are suggesting. He's an outstanding young player, but I don't think he's in the Stamkos, Crosby, Backstrom, Sedin, etc. type 90+ point forwards.
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I can't see a player who already plays at a 70 point level at 22 years old, staying at that level.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
He has 119 points in 140 games over the last 2 years, what kind of player is he?
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A player who has missed 24 games due to injury.

I can't see a player who already plays at a 70 point level at 22 years old, staying at that level.
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Why? It happens all the time.

I would not be remotely surprised if Kessel stayed in the 80-85 point range. Crosby and Malkin haven't improved on their totals. I guarantee you Stamkos never produces better numbers that he does now.

Most elite forwards peak around age twenty three.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
A player who has missed 24 games due to injury.
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Ya, and when he's on the ice, he performs like a 70 point player.



Why? It happens all the time.

I would not be remotely surprised if Kessel stayed in the 80-85 point range. Crosby and Malkin haven't improved on their totals. I guarantee you Stamkos never produces better numbers that he does now.

Most elite forwards peak around age twenty three.
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His age and progression suggest to me that his cap isn't 70 points. He played close to a 75 point level just this year.
 
Benn may not become one of the elite offensive players in the league, but he is a pretty awesome, complete player and I'd take him over a guy like Jordan Staal any day. He is really talented offensively, to add to a gritty, physical two way game. JVR doesn't compare.
 
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