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Of course you can compare them. Liles is a 20+ minute per game, legit top 4 dman. Schenn is a young, inexperienced player that has struggled and played his way out of the lineup.

It's not even close.
 
Schenn is awful in his own end. He is a liability back there - he can't even be trusted with 2nd unit PK duty

I think the stats tell a much more factual story- Schenn logged 105 mins SH (5th best on the team) and he averaged 1.02M/SH a game last season (9th best on the team).
 
So were using ice time as a comparison between them? Ok fair enough but really other then that there is zero comparisons to make because both are completley opposite players of each other.
 
Ice time really isn't a way to gauge which player is more impactful- Keep in mind Liles has his biggest impact on the powerplay where he's allowed to wheel and deel, but Schenn's at his best at e/s, again both impact in different ways.
 
Of course it is. The more you play the bigger inpact you have on the game. And Players play more than others for a reason.
 
I'm not denying that Liles isn't a good defencmen, and of course he has an impact out there espically in the other teams end. However, Schenn is better then Liles in the most pivotal part of being a blueliner, which is playing defense something Liles at best is "so-so" at.

It's an absurd debate between us anyways, because Schenn is out and Liles is still here.
 
All of Liles defensive metrics from last year are better than schenn.

Listen, maybe one day schenn wi be a good player. But you cannot reasonabbly suggest that to this point in his career schenn hasn't had his struggles.

Liles is the better hockey player right now. And it isn't close.
 
Alright, I've been mostly lurking recently but this is too much...

P84, are you actually trying to argue that you can't compare a defenseman to another defenseman? Really? Like have you thought about this.

Not to mention the fact that you have been comparing the two the past couple pages.
 
Too bad I wasn't the head scout for the Toronto Maple Leafs. hockeylover told me before watching an OHL game in 2009 between Erie Otters and Kitchener, to keep an eye out for Ryan O'Reilly. I saw him and literally freaked out with how evolved he was.

I for sure would have drafted him in Kadri's slot. Would anyone else? Then? Now?
 
If Schenn doesn't improve from his last year or 2, then for sure, he's not a valuable player. But he looked pretty solid in his first year, and is still very young. Pretty sure Philly picked him up hoping to get back that player and more. As others have said, playing for a team that's at least middle-ish of the pack for goaltending will help him a lot.
 
UWHabs said:
If Schenn doesn't improve from his last year or 2, then for sure, he's not a valuable player. But he looked pretty solid in his first year, and is still very young. Pretty sure Philly picked him up hoping to get back that player and more. As others have said, playing for a team that's at least middle-ish of the pack for goaltending will help him a lot.
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I think Schenn's biggest issue when he was with the leafs was he wasn't a good enough skater to thrive in Wilson's uptempo high risk/high reward system, if you remember Wilson demanded that pretty much every defencemen would have to jump up into the rush, something that killed Schenn because he wasn't fast enough to get back into positon. I think that system killed his confidence, and also because of the lack of goaltending he had no trust back there and would try to do it all himself.

Schenn is the type of player that will thrive in a "defense first" system, if he keeps things simple Schenn can be a really solid player. I don't know much about Philly though so I don't know how Schenn will fare in that orginaztion.
 
P84, are you actually trying to argue that you can't compare a defenseman to another defenseman? Really? Like have you thought about this

Yes that's my point is that you can't really compare one defencemen to another, just like you can't compare a forward to another forward. There are some defencmen that are small, non physical but elite at speed and jumping up into the rush, then there are others who aren't overly mobile but are solid in their own end etc.

Like I said Liles and Schenn are very different players.
 
Sidney Crosby and Colton Orr are very different players too. Being different does not mean you can't compare them as hockey players.
 
leafman101 said:
Sidney Crosby and Colton Orr are very different players too. Being different does not mean you can't compare them as hockey players.
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Thank you for proving my point! You were doing so well with the first sentence, and then you went and completley did a "180" with your second one, and i'm sorry there is no real comparison between Crosby/Orr. Back to Schenn/Liles, the only two real comparisions you could make is a) they both play on the blueline b) both have played for the Toronto Maple Leafs, other then that there is NO comparison to them as players.
 
Pronger84 said:
Thank you for proving my point!
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Pronger84 said:
P84, are you actually trying to argue that you can't compare a defenseman to another defenseman? Really? Like have you thought about this

Yes that's my point is that you can't really compare one defencemen to another, just like you can't compare a forward to another forward. There are some defencmen that are small, non physical but elite at speed and jumping up into the rush, then there are others who aren't overly mobile but are solid in their own end etc.

Like I said Liles and Schenn are very different players.
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What in God's name are you talking about? Of course you can compare them.
 
I don't profess to know how anyone on this board "thinks". But maybe he thinks one is an offensive dman, the other defensive. But I have to ask, why do you shits have to jump all over the guy in your gang like fashion? It really makes this board stink.
 
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