JackBurton
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Luongo to Florida makes no sense. Never has. I think people only look from Luongo's perspective when thinking of the deal.
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Boogmour
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Oh yeah, Roberto Luongo sounds super pleased at the thought of coming to Toronto. lol He sounds like he wanted to slam the phone as soon as Toronto was mentioned.
hockeylover
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... really? If it's the same clip I heard earlier on the Game On Special then I'm not sure where you're getting that impression. He just gave the PC answer, that's all.
hockeylover
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Boogmour
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I think its been evident that he's wanted to go back to Florida for some time. Whether he'll be happy here, won't know for sure till he gets here, if ever. As much as I want to see the Leafs sneak into the playoffs with Luongo, its probably not the best route to take. Leafs to need to continue to develop the youngsters instead of trading them away.
PlayerToBeNamedLater
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I have no idea what gave you this impression
He gave the typical athlete response to a leading question.
hockeylover
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I think so too.
Interesting he's working with Allaire though. Allaire didn't leave on great terms.
hockeylover
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Bozak and stuff for an elite goaltender? Really?
Boogmour
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Depends what the stuff is, i don't think Vancouver plans on giving the Leafs a late Christmas present.
mbow30
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I just don't see how Vancouver can go into the year with Luongo.
They don't need the distraction, and fiscally it makes sense for them to get out of the Luongo contract since they have a younger, cheaper and arguably better tender in Schneider. They also have designs on contention, so a guy like Luongo on the bench, who should still be able to net an asset or two that will help, is a wasted resource.
But Gillis just might intractable enough to head into the season with him. It might depend on how deep his hate for BUrke runs.
They don't need the distraction, and fiscally it makes sense for them to get out of the Luongo contract since they have a younger, cheaper and arguably better tender in Schneider. They also have designs on contention, so a guy like Luongo on the bench, who should still be able to net an asset or two that will help, is a wasted resource.
But Gillis just might intractable enough to head into the season with him. It might depend on how deep his hate for BUrke runs.
hockeylover
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OK, so name which players could be involved that would make you balk.
mbow30
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There aren't many prospects I'd give up to get him. But I'd be willing to consider a move involving Kadri. Maybe Vancouver can throw a piece back if that happens. But my main reason is this: I'm not sure if things will work out for Kadri here (though I've no doubt he has a productive NHL career ahead of himself), and if they continue to dick around with him (i.e. start the year with him in the minors and Connolly and Bozak centering two of the top three lines) they will be basically forced to move him. He loses his waiver eligibility next year, anyways, but I don't know if keeping him in the AHL for this season will be in anybody's interests. And if you are forced to trade Kadri he will be worth ten cents on the dollar... and under normal circumstances you certainly won't be able to use him to get a piece remotely as good as Luongo.
The cost is, at best, a 60-70 point forward. Putting age and contract considerations aside would you trade a 60-70 point forward for a top 10 (arguably top 5) goalie? of course. The contract sucks, I get it, but I'd rather get an elite goaltender and a bad contract to deal with for Kadri than the 2nd round pick or overpaid 2nd or 3rd liner they would otherwise get.
The cost is, at best, a 60-70 point forward. Putting age and contract considerations aside would you trade a 60-70 point forward for a top 10 (arguably top 5) goalie? of course. The contract sucks, I get it, but I'd rather get an elite goaltender and a bad contract to deal with for Kadri than the 2nd round pick or overpaid 2nd or 3rd liner they would otherwise get.
Boogmour
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How about not giving up on any of the good young kids? James Reimer, Morgan Rielly, Jake Gardiner, Carter Ashton, James van Riemsdyk, Nazem Kadri, Joe Colborne, draft picks....etc. etc.
But of course, this is the Leafs we're talking about. They aren't happy until they give up the future to get us that overpriced, veteran, to try and sneak into the playoffs with. Rebuilding seems to be a bad word within the Leafs organization, they prefer to tread water.
hockeylover
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Wouldn't really want to see Finn, Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri go anywhere but other than that I'm pretty open, I think. If at the end of the day it took Kadri, I still think I could live with it though.
hockeylover
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Boogmour
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What is Luongo and his albatross of a contract going to do for the Leafs? Give them a few more wins, maybe barely make the playoffs, maybe not? Why not let Reimer continue to develop in net and if he falls flat on his face; you have another top 5 pick to build around instead of an overpayed veteran with a nightmare contract.
But I get it, we need to make the playoffs, we need to buy Luongo jerseys.
Volcanologist
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If we're going to take the plunge on Luongo it shouldn't be scuttled by Kadri's inclusion.
He's got some talent but I don't think it's enough to be a top liner at the NHL level. If the Bozak and a pick rumours are true, so much the better, but the Kadri/Bozak one makes more sense for them as Kadri at least has some upside possible. I think it's far more likely we'd be moving a 50 point player in Naz than a 70 point one, although it's not totally beyond the realm of possibility for him to reach that level.
On the other hand the Leafs have never given Kadri a fair shake for whatever reason. If they don't trade him I hope they give him an extended audition this short season to really show what he's got. He does have a chance to turn into a pretty good player if he can learn to play a simpler game without overhandling the puck and only turning on the skill/moves when needed.
He's got some talent but I don't think it's enough to be a top liner at the NHL level. If the Bozak and a pick rumours are true, so much the better, but the Kadri/Bozak one makes more sense for them as Kadri at least has some upside possible. I think it's far more likely we'd be moving a 50 point player in Naz than a 70 point one, although it's not totally beyond the realm of possibility for him to reach that level.
On the other hand the Leafs have never given Kadri a fair shake for whatever reason. If they don't trade him I hope they give him an extended audition this short season to really show what he's got. He does have a chance to turn into a pretty good player if he can learn to play a simpler game without overhandling the puck and only turning on the skill/moves when needed.