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Boogmour said:
What is Luongo and his albatross of a contract going to do for the Leafs? Give them a few more wins, maybe barely make the playoffs, maybe not? Why not let Reimer continue to develop in net and if he falls flat on his face; you have another top 5 pick to build around instead of an overpayed veteran with a nightmare contract.
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If you think adding a guy who'll likely give you around .920 goaltending is just "a few more wins" from 5th last in the league, I think you're out to lunch and we definitely won't agree.

If you think Carter Ashton is a reason we should avoid bringing in a ~.920 goaltender, then again, we definitely won't agree.

But I get it, we need to make the playoffs, we need to buy Luongo jerseys.
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Yeah, because I'm certainly a "draft schmaft" type of fan. It's not like I post more about the draft/prospects than nearly anyone here or anything. :sarcasm
 
Some reports are that Burke ain't gonna give away anything good because by taking Luongo, he is already helping them by not having them use one of their buy outs next year.

That Mike from Buffalo guy did state that maybe Burke would give them Connolly to be a bit of a salary exchange, giving them the second line centre until Kesler comes back and 4.75 in a one year deal that comes off the books next year anyway.

I could see that happening. With the shortened season, Vancouver doesn't have time for prospects to replace Kesler.. they need NHL guys right now. and Connolly and Bozak could help them alot.
 
hockeylover said:
If you think adding a guy who'll likely give you around .920 goaltending is just "a few more wins" from 5th last in the league, I think you're out to lunch and we definitely won't agree.

If you think Carter Ashton is a reason we should avoid bringing in a ~.920 goaltender, then again, we definitely won't agree.



Yeah, because I'm certainly a "draft schmaft" type of fan. It's not like I post more about the draft/prospects than nearly anyone here or anything. :sarcasm
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A .920 goaltender with this team? heh, let me know when the Stanley Cup parade starts.
 
Well, when Luongo was on a bottom-feeding Florida team he did post a .931 sv%. His save percentage is almost a lock to be above .915. And from that point it is generally anywhere from the high teens to that year he hit 31.

He is going to give you high level goaltending equivalent to the quality of netminding you get from a .920 sv% goalie. And his save% is a good bet to be right around that mark, regardless of who he is playing for.
 
If we're talking about "developing our prospects the right way for once", getting an established, elite goaltender in here behind our young defensemen, specifically Gardiner and Rielly, seems like a great idea to me. I don't see what Colborne or Ashton have done that you wouldn't want Luongo in here because of them.
 
zeke said:
leafs' defense looked just fine when Reimer was posting a .920+sv% his rookie year.
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And it looked like crap when he posted .900 SVP last year.

Reimer has potential but I am not prepared to pin our hopes on him this year. That would be the typical move this franchise would make. And it always blows up in our faces.

Burke needs to put up or shut up. His job is on the line.
 
mbow30 said:
Well, when Luongo was on a bottom-feeding Florida team he did post a .931 sv%.
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And that Panthers team couldn't score either (bottom five team in goals for). There's only so much a goalie can do if you can't defend OR score (that's why they didn't make the playoffs); offense isn't really a problem with the Leafs.
 
It been a while since the Leafs had any playoff hockey and I'd like to see it as much as the next guy. But I don't' think Luongo is a good long term move specially at the expense of any quality prospects. Personally, I'd like to see Burke obtain more picks and continue to build through the draft with high selections. I believe this years draft is heavy and deep on talent, what better way to continue to build? I realize you can still find hidden gems even in the later rounds but the probability of finding one isn't likely.

But hey, if Vancouver wants to give him up for virtual nothing, than by all means. I know how good he can be but at 34, he may have his better days behind him.
 
IMO goaltending is too important to turn down a shot at a top 5 goalie in the league. We can draft and develop all we want and still likely never get one of those.
 
Rask may or may not be in that category, but that doesn't really help the Leafs.

And even still, Rask is turing 23 and was drafted 7 years ago and is just becoming a starter now. Even if the Leafs were to draft the next Luongo, they still need someone for the next 5-7 years.
 
Boogmour said:
It been a while since the Leafs had any playoff hockey and I'd like to see it as much as the next guy. But I don't' think Luongo is a good long term move specially at the expense of any quality prospects. Personally, I'd like to see Burke obtain more picks and continue to build through the draft with high selections. I believe this years draft is heavy and deep on talent, what better way to continue to build? I realize you can still find hidden gems even in the later rounds but the probability of finding one isn't likely.

But hey, if Vancouver wants to give him up for virtual nothing, than by all means. I know how good he can be but at 34, he may have his better days behind him.
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Question for you: how does drafting Sean Monahan or Kerby Rychel address Toronto's deficiencies in goal?

Secondly, 33 is hardly geriatric for a goalkeeper. All of Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, Joseph, Thomas, and even second tier names such as Roloson, have remained effective, if not elite, options between the pipes until well into their late thirties and early forties. It would be more surprising to see Luongo not play well for four to five additional seasons than it would be for his effectiveness to drastically decline suddenly.
 
MindzEye said:
Or a goalie would be part of a luongo trade, to serves as Schneider's backup. Bobby will be professional about it, but he wants out. Gillis would be an epic twat to not find a way to make that happen for him.
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Including say... james Reimer or Ben Scrivens... in the deal makes a lot of sense. Scrivens shouldn't be in the AHL now that the lockout is done. He should be somebody's backup.

More likely i say Reimer is going to Vancouver.
 
All 30 teams have the same chance to win the cup. It will be more competitive than ever.

I might even argue that the hockey will be better, more skilled. Guys won't be so worn down from a long season...though there will be some more injuries to start.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Question for you: how does drafting Sean Monahan or Kerby Rychel address Toronto's deficiencies in goal?

Secondly, 33 is hardly geriatric for a goalkeeper. All of Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, Joseph, Thomas, and even second tier names such as Roloson, have remained effective, if not elite, options between the pipes until well into their late thirties and early forties. It would be more surprising to see Luongo not play well for four to five additional seasons than it would be for his effectiveness to drastically decline suddenly.
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It doesn't, but it makes the future that much better. My point is, Luongo or not, I don't think this team has any chance of making legitimate noise in the the postseason (if they do make it). For a team that finished as poorly as they did in the prior season, its hard to see them being very successful. Also, having a couple of top 5 picks in the organization, one which hasn't even been given a fair chance, doesn't say to me that a rebuild should be over. Do you think the Leafs have a deep farm system? I'd say the Leafs are probably in the bottom half of the league in terms of overall futures.

But like I said, if Luongo is coming on the cheap, why not? Although, I'd rather the team leave James Reimer in net to continue to develop and build through the draft. If he fails, so be it, its a building process and you obtain a hell of a pick in the process. With Luongo, you're getting a good, albeit expensive goalie which will make us better now at the expense of a better draft pick and prospects going to Vancouver in the process. A legitamte rebuild is never a quick fix, these things take time and patience, something the Leafs organization seems to lack.
 
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