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The problem I see, is that the players we would want to trade Kessel for (ie. an upgrade or else why do it?), the other team probably doesn't have much incentive to trade for Kessel. Even Perry doesn't make much sense for the Ducks, they'd be sitting in the same boat a year from now. I agree with player - if any Leaf makes sense, it's probably JVR since he's young and cost-controlled for 5 more years at only 4.25.
 
hockeylover said:
The problem I see, is that the players we would want to trade Kessel for (ie. an upgrade or else why do it?), the other team probably doesn't have much incentive to trade for Kessel. Even Perry doesn't make much sense for the Ducks, they'd be sitting in the same boat a year from now. I agree with player - if any Leaf makes sense, it's probably JVR since he's young and cost-controlled for 5 more years at only 4.25.
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That makes a lot of sense actually.
 
You don't trade a guy who's outscoring Perry, younger than Perry, and signed to a cheap deal for years, for Perry, a pending UFA.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
You don't trade a guy who's outscoring Perry, younger than Perry, and signed to a cheap deal for years, for Perry, a pending UFA.
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I didn't actually say whether I think we'd do it/should do it or not. I said JVR makes more sense as a target for Anaheim.

I'm trying to figure out what player we could trade Kessel for that actually makes sense for both teams. Your example of trading "equals" for each other was one where a team was trading a defenseman for a forward. Why would another team want to trade us a better forward than Kessel?
 
Volcanologist said:
Oh, I see.

best not to be arguing for trading Kessel then, if you can't think of a single player in return.
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What are you trying to say, that there's no one in the league I'd like to exchange Kessel for either as a one for one or a package deal?

Really?

Off the top of my head, Tavares. Easy.

Duchene. Giroux. Kopitar. Maybe even Backstrom. Just a few names.

Are any of these players available or on the market? Probably not, but who knows. No one thought Phaneuf was either.

But if we're looking to ever get a center on this level, and it was possible to do it by giving up Kessel or even Kessel plus, I'd do it in a snap.

We won't get any guy like that for scraps or second tier players. We have to give to get. And I'd give to get one of them.
 
hockeylover said:
I didn't actually say whether I think we'd do it/should do it or not. I said JVR makes more sense as a target for Anaheim.

I'm trying to figure out what player we could trade Kessel for that actually makes sense for both teams. Your example of trading "equals" for each other was one where a team was trading a defenseman for a forward. Why would another team want to trade us a better forward than Kessel?
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The why, I can't predict. Too expensive maybe? Excess of centers and need for a winger? Locker room issues? Inability to re-sign? Stupid GM?

Who knows, but they happen.
 
What i envisioned with that JVR comment was basically keeping him for a little while longer and once he gets going(he will get around 30 goals, maybe more playing with Phil) try to make a trade for a centre with size..Someone younger would be ideal. Its the best move we have as JVR's trade value will be even higher, decent contract, young and so on...Phil is a pure sniper with very good vision and one of the best players in the NHL so you try to keep him and add pieces. He needs some muscle at centre and on the wing and he'll do very well.
 
Anyone know what our draft pick situation is for 2013? Do we have our own picks in every round and that's it, or have we trade for/away any?

For 2014, I think we have our own plus Edm 4th/3rd (Brown) and Anh 7th (Steckel).
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Anyone know what our draft pick situation is for 2013? Do we have our own picks in every round and that's it, or have we trade for/away any?

For 2014, I think we have our own plus Edm 4th/3rd (Brown) and Anh 7th (Steckel).
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It's a little confusing because there are some conditional picks but from what I can tell we have all our picks except for our fourth rounder (Franson trade) plus a 6th rounder from Anaheim from the Lupul/Gards deal.

2013: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th
2014: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (EDM - if they make the 2013 playoffs, or else 4th rounder), 4th, 4th (PHX - Lombardi deal), 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th (ANA)
 
LeafOfFaith said:
What are you trying to say, that there's no one in the league I'd like to exchange Kessel for either as a one for one or a package deal?

Really?

Off the top of my head, Tavares. Easy.

Duchene. Giroux. Kopitar. Maybe even Backstrom. Just a few names.

Are any of these players available or on the market? Probably not, but who knows. No one thought Phaneuf was either.

But if we're looking to ever get a center on this level, and it was possible to do it by giving up Kessel or even Kessel plus, I'd do it in a snap.

We won't get any guy like that for scraps or second tier players. We have to give to get. And I'd give to get one of them.
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None of those names are realistic at all.
 
The Leafs have more money than anyone and we're worried about what Phil will ask? Give him an 8 year extension as soon as you can. He's worth it. No draft pick will come close to his talent.

And who says by re-signing him you're building around him? That doesn't mean he has to be the #1 guy you build your franchise around.

The crap about Phil being so useless and one-dimensional is resembling the Bryan Mccabe situation a lot. He's worth so much more and is so much better than those A-holes claim in the media.
 
I agree with you, McCabe was such a weapon on the PP, I miss him so much when I see Dion on the PP. He should call up Caber and get some tips.
 
da_next_kid said:
I agree with you, McCabe was such a weapon on the PP, I miss him so much when I see Dion on the PP. He should call up Caber and get some tips.
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McCabe was also a 26+ mpg all situation beast....that he never got the credit for being, because we have a bunch of douches in the media who focused on him having an abysmal playoff game against Philly, and putting a puck into his own net against Buffalo.
 
Dion has 12 PPG and 37 PPA in 202 games played for us. I don't know if we'll ever see Dion of old back again, he is still a great player but a shell of his former self offensively, as strange as that sounds, at 27 years old it seems the best offensive years of Dion's career are behind him.
 
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