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Leaf Rumours

BeLeafer said:
What? The only name goalie Nonis got as GM of the Canucks was Luongo ... a buttrape of a deal.
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are people becoming intentionall dense around here tonight or what?

Nonis managed to get himself an elite goalie in his prime right off the bat in his last job as GM.

We have no idea how he'll behave as a GM without having that name goalie in there yet.
 
and on another note, anyone thinkiing that the Flames are actually going to toss in a great pick or prospect back to us in a deal for the legendary Miikka Kiprusoff......well, you're on crack.
 
zeke said:
We have no idea how he'll behave as a GM without having that name goalie in there yet.
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Which is what makes the fact you and PTBNL having blinders on about such a deal so surprising....you seemingly both can only envision a scenario where we not only pay assets for, but also take on his entire 2014 cap hit.
 
zeke said:
and on another note, anyone thinkiing that the Flames are actually going to toss in a great pick or prospect back to us in a deal for the legendary Miikka Kiprusoff......well, you're on crack.
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exactly.

they are in rebuild mode.

if we want kipper, we're going to trade a pick for him.
 
This goaltending stuff could be a big smokescreen...behind which Nonis is hopefully negotiating for players that actually address a team need.
 
Montana said:
So as you've said over and over again, you think Nonis is an idiot if he trades for Kipper, even tho you yourself agree with what me and BL are saying....which is that there are scenarios under which such an acquisition would make sense for us.


No ones arguing the Leafs should deal assets for him, and take on his entire 2014 salary.
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Kiprusoff has a lot of potential to turn out just as the Lupul and Lombardi deals did. Feaster wants to unload him, we can take the salary if necessary, shuttle him to the Marlies and, hey, if he rediscovers his form, it adds depth over the rest of this season and next. In return, we could get a nice futures asset - a pick, prospect, whatever.

The most reasonable assumption to make about them talking with his agent is that they're inquiring about his willingness to be the "third" man.

That kind of deal is the established pattern with this management group.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
The rumours aren't saying that the Leafs are getting assets back though.

That's why there's concern not just from myself, but from other posters.

Maybe it's misplaced concern, we will see.
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where are these rumours?
only thing that appears real is that the leafs have talked to kipper

what are the rumoured parts? who are those rumours from?
 
zeke said:
and on another note, anyone thinkiing that the Flames are actually going to toss in a great pick or prospect back to us in a deal for the legendary Miikka Kiprusoff......well, you're on crack.
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Likewise if you believe Nonis is going to trade assets and take on the full $5.8m for 2014.
 
Feaster wants to unload him, we can take the salary if necessary, shuttle him to the Marlies and, hey, if he rediscovers his form, it adds depth over the rest of this season and next. In return, we could get a nice futures asset - a pick, prospect, whatever.
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I don't see how this is a possibility at all. They have tons of cap space. They aren't unloading him for the cap space, they're trading him because THEY want the futures.
 
BeLeafer said:
Kiprusoff has a lot of potential to turn out just as the Lupul and Lombardi deals did. Feaster wants to unload him, we can take the salary if necessary, shuttle him to the Marlies and, hey, if he rediscovers his form, it adds depth over the rest of this season and next. In return, we could get a nice futures asset - a pick, prospect, whatever.

The most reasonable assumption to make about them talking with his agent is that they're inquiring about his willingness to be the "third" man.

That kind of deal is the established pattern with this management group.
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the other thing is.... and im just guessing based on his ZOMG I WONT REPORT IF IM TRADED stuff
- what happens if he is traded and doesnt report?
- would he throw a fit and cause a huge problem if he was not the starter?


Even if nonis wanted him I cant see all the other pieces falling together to make it happen.
Sleep easy tonight.
 
BeLeafer said:
Nonis was made GM at the end of the 2004 season. Maybe this source is not reliable but I see no such goalie being acquired by him: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Vancouver_Canucks/3
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ach. what is going on tonight.

he had luongo in net. a name goalie, right off the hop. he never had a need to go add another proven name goalie. he already had one.

we've never seen him in a situation where he had unproven goaltending in net. we have no idea how much he valued a proven name back there.
 
The Flames don't care about Kipper's salary because they are way under the cap now. There's no incentive for them to pick-up any of his salary this year or next. They're rebuilding and can afford to carry him for 1 more year. They also won't deal their high 1st or a top prospect during a rebuilding phase.

If the Leafs want him, they will likely have to give up a mid rnd pick and pick up his salary.
 
hockeylover said:
I don't see how this is a possibility at all. They have tons of cap space. They aren't unloading him for the cap space, they're trading him because THEY want the futures.
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I didn't say they're unloading him for cap space. They aren't going to get futures for Kiprusoff. He's dead weight, negative value. I'm not sure how rich the Flames are these days, but maybe they don't want to pay the guy $6M to play for their AHL or ECHL affiliate.
 
Grabovski
Liles
Prospect/picks/requisite filler

For

Kipper
Giordano
Cammalleri


Calgary gets cap space in 2014, gets younger, gets some futures, and the Leafs get the three pieces they're looking for most right now. Center, #2 D, and a backup goalie.
 
BeLeafer said:
I didn't say they're unloading him for cap space. They aren't going to get futures for Kiprusoff. He's dead weight, negative value. I'm not sure how rich the Flames are these days, but maybe they don't want to pay the guy $6M to play for their AHL or ECHL affiliate.
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He's only owed $1.5 in real money next year, I believe.
 
BeLeafer said:
I didn't say they're unloading him for cap space. They aren't going to get futures for Kiprusoff. He's dead weight, negative value. I'm not sure how rich the Flames are these days, but maybe they don't want to pay the guy $6M to play for their AHL or ECHL affiliate.
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Kipper will only make 1.5 mill in real dollars next year.

His salary isn't an issue.

The cap hit is the issue.
 
zeke said:
ach. what is going on tonight.

he had luongo in net. a name goalie, right off the hop. he never had a need to go add another proven name goalie. he already had one.

we've never seen him in a situation where he had unproven goaltending in net. we have no idea how much he valued a proven name back there.
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No one is being dense. You're being intellectually ... shifty, to be kind. Your original argument was that GMs "fall for name goalies" and that Nonis had done this. Do you honestly think obtaining Luongo was falling for a "name"? Really?

Now, you can change your argument and say he's never had to deal with young goalies, but you'd be wrong about that as well.

Nonis acquired Luongo a full 2 years into his tenure after giving the young Clouthier all the opportunity in the world to establish himself. He only traded him after getting Luongo ... again, 2 years into his tenure.
 
Montana said:
Grabovski
Liles
Prospect/picks/requisite filler

For

Kipper
Giordano
Cammalleri


Calgary gets cap space in 2014, gets younger, gets some futures, and the Leafs get the three pieces they're looking for most right now. Center, #2 D, and a backup goalie.
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I like.
 
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