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Assertion: "you guys are insulting Nonis' intelligence by suggesting he would make this kind of trade for Kipper"

Response: "many otherwise smart GMs have fallen prey to name goalies and defensive dmen. It's not insulting his intelligence to worry that Nonis might do the same."



Assertion: "Nonis has never made this kind of move for a vet name goalie before, so he won't do it now"

Response: "We've never seen Nonis without a name goalie already in the fold, we have no idea what he'll do now that he doesn't have a name goalie in net already"



simple.
 
zeke said:
Assertion: "you guys are insulting Nonis' intelligence by suggesting he would make this kind of trade for Kipper"

Response: "many otherwise smart GMs have fallen prey to name goalies and defensive dmen. It's not insulting his intelligence to worry that Nonis might do the same."
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Yes, I got it.

It's a completely unfounded worry. You could worry that he's suddenly going to cough up first round picks and prospects too because other GMs have done this. But it all runs counter to his established record and his many statements since becoming GM. Knock yourself out.

Assertion: "Nonis has never made this kind of move for a vet name goalie before, so he won't do it now"

Response: "We've never seen Nonis without a name goalie already in the fold, we have no idea what he'll do now that he doesn't have a name goalie in net already"
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I never made that assertion and your making shit up about your own response. You said he went out right off the bat and got a name goalie. He never did that.
 
give your head a shake, chuck.

I said he had a name goalie from the get go, and that we've never seen him not have a name goalie before in his career, so we'd have no idea what he might or might not do now based on previous "proclivities".

The fact that he didn't got out and get an expensive name goalie when he already had Luongo in net means nothing to what he might do in the current situation.


We have no idea if Nonis is susceptible to the idea of a name goalie based on his previous record, and there's some troubling rumours that suggest he might be.
 
This is getting tiresome.

zeke said:
he got a vet goalie early last stint as GM. no way of knowing his goalie decisions when he doesn't have a proven name goalie in net already.
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zeke said:
yes. he got a great goalie in his prime right off the hop last time. We've never seen how he deals with having unproven young goaltending in net.
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zeke said:
are people becoming intentionall dense around here tonight or what?

Nonis managed to get himself an elite goalie in his prime right off the bat in his last job as GM.

We have no idea how he'll behave as a GM without having that name goalie in there yet.
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For the record, Nonis became the Canuck GM after the 2003-04 season. He acquired Luongo in June of 2006 -- more than 2 years after assuming GM duties.
 
I am really kind of stunned here. I don't know what else I can say.

We have never seen Nonis in a position where he just had inexperienced goalies in net. never.

He had luongo from the get go in his first gig, so he never needed to add another name goalie.

Claiming that Nonis has never before shown a "proclivity" to go for name goalies before means nothing to the current situation, because he's never been in this situation.

not sure how many more notches I can dumb this down for you.
 
One of those years was wiped out by a lockout though.

Are you guys seriously arguing whether 2 years into his GM reign was "right away" or not?
 
yikes.

If you could point out another scenario in which Nonis had anywhere close to as little experience in net as he does now, then we have some basis to judge his "proclivities".

otherwise, his past work as GM tells us nothing about the current situation.

but of course, you know this, because it's obvious.
 
What is interesting though in bringing up Vancouver is why he brought in Luongo there in the first place. It was because Dan Cloutier was an inexperienced guy, who despite some success was always hurt.

I am sure that has affected his perception of Reimer and his injury problems so far.
 
zeke said:
yikes.

If you could point out another scenario in which Nonis had anywhere close to as little experience in net as he does now, then we have some basis to judge his "proclivities".

otherwise, his past work as GM tells us nothing about the current situation.
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It tells us that he doesn't go out and get name goalies right off the bat, that's for sure. He also gave the very suspect Clouthier a good while yet to establish himself before moving on Luongo. He'd been around for all of Clouthier's susbstandard performance but still gave him two more seasons. Whether there was a lockout or not, he didn't do a thing about it until halfway into his tenure.

It also tells us that he doesn't go fishing for very old goalies to replace young ones.
 
actually, Cloutier was plenty experienced, but had already lost his starting gig to 24 year old Alex Auld at that point.
 
leafman101 said:
What is interesting though in bringing up Vancouver is why he brought in Luongo there in the first place. It was because Dan Cloutier was an inexperienced guy, who despite some success was always hurt.

I am sure that has affected his perception of Reimer and his injury problems so far.
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Clouthier had three full seasons in a row before Nonis took over. He got injured in the last year. But that was as good as any reason at that stage to find someone else. It was absolutely the right move. Clouthier went on to stink it up and finished his career in Switzerland or some such place.
 
BeLeafer said:
It tells us that he doesn't go out and get name goalies right off the bat, that's for sure.
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ach. that was never the point.

the point was that because he had Luongo for the majority of his GM career, we have no idea what his proclivities to be in a situation where he had no name goalie already in the fold.

He also gave the very suspect Clouthier a good while yet to establish himself before moving on Luongo.
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actually, he gave the 29yr old Cloutier 13 games before booting him. but that's neither here nor there.


Hopefully he's not scared Reimer is the next Auld, because Auld always sucked.
 
Cloutier was injured in 3 of his 4 seasons as Canucks starter and never lived up to the promise he showed glimpses of when healthy.

And he didn't lose his job to Auld, he got hurt.

No doubt that past experiences influence future decision making.
 
If that was your point, you should have said it before now, zeke.

But, no, he did not have Luongo for the majority of his career in Vancouver. He had him for 2 of 4 seasons. That's half ... not even half + 1, sorry.
 
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