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true. blew out his knee that year and was out for the season by december. Auld took over as starter and posted a .902sv% that year.

in the summer, Keenan came calling and Nonis got Luongo. Auld was part of the trade package, Cloutier was dumped, and Nonis never worried about his goaltending again.

none of which tells us much about the current situation.
 
But let's get this straight. You're now saying that you were all worried about Nonis going after Kipper because he's a name goalie because he acquired an in-his-prime Luongo 2 years in to his tenure.

Or, if you want to massage your words further, you're worried because he had Clouthier and then Auld and then Luongo ... none of whom cracked 30 while he was GM, I don't think.
 
BeLeafer said:
If that was your point, you should have said it before now, zeke.

But, no, he did not have Luongo for the majority of his career in Vancouver. He had him for 2 of 4 seasons. That's half ... not even half + 1, sorry.
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He had one season without Luongo.

And christ, I thought I repeated that point about 18 times in this thread. Don't know how many more times I could.
 
BeLeafer said:
But let's get this straight. You're now saying that you were all worried about Nonis going after Kipper because he's a name goalie because he acquired an in-his-prime Luongo 2 years in to his tenure.

Or, if you want to massage your words further, you're worried because he had Clouthier and then Auld and then Luongo ... none of whom cracked 30 while he was GM, I don't think.
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No.

I am all worried about Nonis going after Kipper because tonight we've had at least 3 separate reports that he's actually received permission to talk to Kipper and his agent. That's why I'm worried.

Your arguments that I shouldn't be worried because Nonis is super smart and has never made a move for a vet name goalie before don't really make me worry any less, for the reasons I've set out....sorry.
 
He waited two years before making a move for a name goalie. And that name goalie was absolutely nothing like Kipper now.

You worry too much.
 
zeke said:
No.

I am all worried about Nonis going after Kipper because tonight we've had at least 3 separate reports that he's actually received permission to talk to Kipper and his agent. That's why I'm worried.

Your arguments that I shouldn't be worried because Nonis is super smart and has never made a move for a vet name goalie before don't really make me worry any less, for the reasons I've set out....sorry.
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So, let's say he's talking to Kipper about being the "third" goalie - something you yourself liked earlier today. WTF is there to worry about? It would take a total imbecile to go after this guy to replace Reimer. Everyone can read his stats.
 
How can he be the third goalie? they can't stick him in the minors. and getting a $6m goalie to be your third goalie is no more confidence inspiring, anyways.
 
And then there's every thing we've seen from this guy. He is the most youth friendly GM the Leafs have had in my lifetime, by a long shot.
 
zeke said:
How can he be the third goalie? they can't stick him in the minors. and getting a $6m goalie to be your third goalie is no more confidence inspiring, anyways.
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Why can't you stick him in the minors? His NMC expired last year. I suspect they were inquiring precisely about that scenario.
 
trading for a $6m goalie, and certainly giving up something of value for him, to sit in the minors? I think that's far fetched to say the least.
 
Maybe, maybe not. If there's no takers for Kipper, he may well be headed that way without a deal. If he knows that, this might be his best option.

Whatever the case, we know for sure that Nonis, unlike his predecessor, will not hesitate to put underperforming high priced vets on the Marlies.
 
That horrid save% still scares the shit out of me. Even if he was above .900 I could be on board but his numbers are Toskala bad.

That combined with the cap hit could be a recipe for disaster going forward.
 
BeLeafer said:
Maybe, maybe not. If there's no takers for Kipper, he may well be headed that way without a deal. If he knows that, this might be his best option.

Whatever the case, we know for sure that Nonis, unlike his predecessor, will not hesitate to put underperforming high priced vets on the Marlies.
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The CBA has changed. If you send him to the Marlies, his cap hit still counts.

If the Leafs trade for Kipper, he's going to be a 5.8 mill cap hit this year and next.
 
Simmons and Dreger were on tsn radio this morning stil singing the praises of getting Kipper. Simmons actually said it reminded him of when Quinn got Belfour and everyone thought he was done.

Was Belfour this bad before coming here though??
 
Hoss said:
Simmons and Dreger were on tsn radio this morning stil singing the praises of getting Kipper. Simmons actually said it reminded him of when Quinn got Belfour and everyone thought he was done.

Was Belfour this bad before coming here though??
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yeah people were like - a u kidding me?! dude is done, finished...
 
Belfour had an offseason prior to coming to the Leafs, but he wasn't this bad.

Kipper is having a worse season than Toskala and Raycroft ever had as a Leaf.
 
He is right though. Everyone thought Belfour was done and he wasn't. Kipper might not be done and I don't have much issue giving him a shot. But not at $6 mill next year. That takes up pretty much all of our cap space to get better on a backup goalie.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
The CBA has changed. If you send him to the Marlies, his cap hit still counts.

If the Leafs trade for Kipper, he's going to be a 5.8 mill cap hit this year and next.
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Thanks for that. The point, however, is that he won't block or usurp the role of Reimer. You know, the thing you and zeke were crying like little school girls about yesterday.
 
I really hope the reporters all get it wrong ...

That we're talking to Kiprusoff's AGENT, but not about Kiprusoff, but about another Flame player instead.
 
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