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Given To Fly said:
Has anyone considered that Nonis wanted to talk to Kippers people just to see how interested he would be in coming here and playing out the rest of his contract?

After what Nonis said yesterday, I cant see us trading much for him or looking to be signing him to an extension.

I think we also forget [due to not being in playoffs in almost a decade] that this is whats its like to be a BUYER. As long as no one comes off the current roster and we are only trading a middling pick, this is not the end of the world.

Now if there an extension involved [very unlikely] then theres an argument to be had.

I still think size up front is the biggest need [other then a number 1 center] and Nonis is looking more for help in the top 9 then hes scrambling to trade for Kipper.
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If he was a UFA next season, then it might make sense. But he's not. He's getting paid elite money next year too.
 
Having a vet in the lineup is not a bad thing. Its another aspect other then size we desperately need.

Sure its cap space, but we're not losing any roster player or prospect and yet we are still jumping off the bridge.

His cap will not hinder us from signing anyone in the offseason, and previously when we have missed out on the high end guys [which none are available this year anyway] its due to length, not yearly amount.
 
Given To Fly said:
His cap will not hinder us from signing anyone in the offseason, and previously when we have missed out on the high end guys [which none are available this year anyway] its due to length, not yearly amount.
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Yes it will. The cap is going down by $7 million. This would eat up most of their cap space (along with resigning Kadri, Gunnar, Franson, etc).
 
Given To Fly said:
Having a vet in the lineup is not a bad thing. Its another aspect other then size we desperately need.

Sure its cap space, but we're not losing any roster player or prospect and yet we are still jumping off the bridge.

His cap will not hinder us from signing anyone in the offseason, and previously when we have missed out on the high end guys [which none are available this year anyway] its due to length, not yearly amount.
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Having 6 mill less in cap space next year when the cap goes down to 64 mill won't hinder us? That's the cost of an elite player.

Once we sign out RFA's, we will be capped out.

But we will be have a 6 mill vet #2/3 goalie!
 
Metalleaf said:
Good thing there aren't any elite players available on July 1st....
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Not yet. The amnesty is available and a few teams might take advantage of that.

Elite players are also acquired via trade.

But we won't have the space to add players through any of those routes, because we'd have a 6 mill backup.
 
leafman101 said:
If Nonis can get confirmation that Kipper won't play next year than picking him up is fine.
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That's an interesting point. If he retires, then his cap hit this year is not important.

So many variables in play here and until the details get worked out, there really is no need to panic. Nonis is not a stupid man.
 
BeLeafer said:
Thanks for that. The point, however, is that he won't block or usurp the role of Reimer. You know, the thing you and zeke were crying like little school girls about yesterday.
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That was one of many points i'm crying about, because this move would suck on so many levels.

and, again, you're just being naive if you think this doesn't put reimer's job in danger at the first sign of trouble...and to a guy who will be held to a much more forgiving standard.
 
There are two factors here: (a) the flames keeping cap space, and (b) Kipper retiring.

If either of those things happen it makes things much more palatable.
 
Anyways, unless Calgary is picking up most of Kipper's contract, Nonis should be fired if the Leafs have to carry this contract into next year. This would be almost as bad as the Gomez trade if a significant amount of the contract isn't picked up.

And even so, he's not an improvement over what we currently have, which is the most important point here.
 
We have to just trust that Nonis isn't that stupid to take on this deal without some sort of plan. He is smarter then this so I trust him to do the right thing
 
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I believe the Leafs shouldn't make a move for a goalie period. They're getting top 10 goaltending and it's been a strength for them this year.

But if Nonis really wants one there are plenty of goalies who are pending UFA's that won't cost you anything next year. Why not go after one of these guys?

This Kipper stuff makes no sense to me. His contract sucks. His performance this year sucks. He doesn't even want to get trade. Just stinks all around.
 
Making and speculating on trades is fun and all - but I think less is more for the Leafs this trade deadline. An inexpensive move for a Robidas makes sense, but not much more. I'd be fine with no moves, this team has no glaring holes.

Jumping from a non-playoff team to a 100+ point playoff team this year is already a big win for the Leafs. And I’m not saying the team shouldn’t strive to go as far as they can; but it’s also the first foray into the playoffs for this young, inexperienced group, for this core, and it’s not the time to make BIG moves to try and win it all now.

The biggest weakness on this team is not on paper, it’s the even strength defense. I can’t really see any glaring holes on this team. And that’s something that is just as much developmental, that will take time, as roster related.

Bouwmeester might have been a good fit in description: big minutes, tall rangy d-man. But the guy makes $6.8 million, he is spotlight averse, he has NEVER played in the playoffs. He’ll be learning along with the team. But after this season and next, his contract expires, and the Leafs probably won’t have the money to re-sign him. In a year or two, that’s probably when the Leafs will be a stronger contender and when a short-term move, a 1st rounder for a veteran, makes more sense.

Right now, I’d rather the Leafs keep piling up young assets (which the 1st rounder would be). Because, in a few years when this core matures and is at the peak of their abilities and can make a strong push for the Cup – you really want to have a stock of young, inexpensive talent to fill out the depth then. The Leafs have a sweet, young core that few teams can match. Only Lupul at age 29 might not be expected to be in his prime in 5 years. If Nonis plays his cards right - a good pile of assets both on the ice and to make the right move when it’s available, decently flexible cap space - I think the team can have a very long window to contend for the Cup. And it’s hard to have everything come together perfectly to win the Cup - you want to have as many cracks as it as possible.
 
And kipper is no belfour, anyways. kipper has always been wildly incondistent, unlike syper steay eddy who was almost always good.

kipper has 8 seasons as a starter on his resume....4 very good, 4 not even legit starter quality. he also had four seasons as a backup before that - 2 very good, 2 bad. all adding up to a thoroughly mediocre career .912sv%.

Belfour had 16yrs as a starter, with all but a small handful of those years well above average at the least.

he's also a flopper, not the positional stud belfour was, so expecting him to age as gracefully is probably dumb.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Anyways, unless Calgary is picking up most of Kipper's contract, Nonis should be fired if the Leafs have to carry this contract into next year. This would be almost as bad as the Gomez trade if a significant amount of the contract isn't picked up.

And even so, he's not an improvement over what we currently have, which is the most important point here.
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As bad as the Gomez trade? Dude u need to take a walk and get some fresh air

I doubt we're trading a highly touted prospect and kippers contract is not anywhere close in comparison to when Gomez was traded to mtl

And who's to say an amnesty is used on him just the same..
 
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