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Leaf Rumours

PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
There's a good reason to have fear.

This would be Toskala/Raycroft/Giguere all over again.
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The Dalai Lama has an appropriate saying about not getting all bent up out of shape over things that haven't happened yet. This is one of those times.

Until it happens (and I suspect there is no merit to the rumours), I will not be a part of this absurdity.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Kipper would at least split duties with Reimer if he's brought it. There's no doubt about in my mind. It makes no logical sense to bring him in just to provide depth. There are a million other cheaper options than can provide depth.

He would be brought in to be the playoff goalie. Or at least he'd be given a real chance to be the guy.

That should scare people.
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You're making up scenarios, and treating them as stone cold fact. No wonder you're so hysterical over a rumour in which we've no clue about the details of a potential trade.
 
zeke said:
Nonis has never even once referred to reimer as his clearcut #1 starter....and you guys think that bringing in kiprusoff would actually solidify reimer's status as a starter, instead of creating a goalie controcersy that would inevitably favour the "proven" goalie heading into the playoffs?

Come on.
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Nonis doesn't set the lineup.

Carlyle has shown absolutely nothing to suggest that the best players wouldn't continue to play. Nothing.

And Reimer has clearly been Carlyle's clearcut #1 starter.
 
Yeah, so pretty much all scenarios involving a potential Kipper acquisition are shit.

1) Bring him in to be the starter --> dumb (for fairly obvious reasons on this one I think. namely how badly Reimer and Scrivens have outplayed him this season, how old he is, contract, etc.).
2) Bring him in to be the 'back-up' --> dumb. $6 million this year and next for a back-up goalie is a hideous waste of cap space. Especially when you have a guy for <1/6 of the price playing significantly better than Kipper currently.
3) Bring him in to play in the AHL --> to begin with, this idea is kinda ludicrous. Give up assets for a $6 million minor league starter? Who has to clear waivers?

And in all three scenarios, there are the obvious cap implications. Kipper is paid like an elite goalie, and is currently performing like one of the worst in the league. Hardly good value.

So yeah, the more I think about it, the more concerned I am that a) this is even being discussed as a possibility, but moreso b) Nonis is talking to both Kipper and his agent.

I'd like to give Nonis the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not stupid enough to do something this idiotic, but the fact that he's talking to Kipper and his people is troubling.
 
Montana said:
You're making up scenarios, and treating them as stone cold fact. No wonder you're so hysterical over a rumour in which we've no clue about the details of a potential trade.
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Making up scenarios? Huh?

If you think they'd trade for a 6 million dollar "name" goalie so they can play him with the Marlies, or let him sit on the bench, you're in serious denial.
 
I've always had a soft spot for Kipper, especially during the Olympics.

If Nono is looking at this as playoff insurance, and as a mentor-type situation for Reimer then I'm alright with it depending on the price. Reimer could learn alot from Kipper about game prep, and the mentality of becoming an NHL workhorse.

..and as for any seasons beyond this, the Leafs can always use a buyout if something else come up.

This all really hinges on how much Kipper would want on an extension, as I doubt he plays anywhere for the $1.5 he's owed next season.
 
The fact that nonis has even gone as far as getting permission to talk to kipper is well worth getting upset about, and getting worried about our new gm
 
Backup makes sense. If you don't trust Scrivens, then you want a vet in case Reimer goes down again, or struggles. If it doesn't cost you a lot (low pick, or B-level prospect), then it's a deal worth making.
 
I rarely panic about anything.

But this is seriously worrying. Even if nothing happens, that fact that Nonis even got to the point of talking with his agent, is a serious knock against Nonis, at least for me.
 
you know what would really suck? if reimer gets hurt... again... like he has in virtually every season of his career... and team is forced into a playoff tandem of ben scrivens and jussy rynnas for their first appearance since 2004.

there is also no saying how reimer will hold up late in the season. he has played in 40 or more games just two times throughout his entire career dating back to his years in the W. he has topped 60 once in his entire major-junior and professional career (60 in 06-07); his only other season over 40 gp was the 42 gp he played between the leafs and marlies in 10-11. over his major junior and pro careers (05-06 through 2013) he has played in just 15 playoff games -- 7 in the W and 8 in the ECHL. since going pro in 08-09 he has just 173 gp under his belt, and 36 of those were in the echl (including his 8 games of playoff experience with the south carolina stingrays).

the leafs' backup is ben scrivens, a 26 year old rookie out of the ncaa also with limited experience. the team has played demonstrably poorer in front of scrivens, who has been steady but is a fundamentally shaky goaltender (let's be honest, he has a penchant for really bad goals against and his rebound control is bad, at best), than they have in front of reimer.

not only that... this is a really young team thatm, should reimer go down or hit a wall, would likely find itself in a lot of troulbe.,

which isn't to say kiprusoff is the answer but the interest in a goalie is certainly understandable.
 
zeke said:
Nonis has never even once referred to reimer as his clearcut #1 starter....and you guys think that bringing in kiprusoff would actually solidify reimer's status as a starter, instead of creating a goalie controcersy that would inevitably favour the "proven" goalie heading into the playoffs?

Come on.
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Is adding experience in goal part of your thinking?

Nonis: Experience and depth. We feel like where we are with our goaltending with the Marlies as it’s been pretty good. But there’s not a lot of playoff experience with those goalies. We’d like to get them some… If we had someone there that played a lot of playoff games, some NHL playoff games, and was a real good third, then we wouldn’t be in the market at all. But having someone there [ON THE MARLIES] that could help in the event that we would need them would just make sense for us. But I have to caution everybody that it’s only if it makes sense for us and if the price tag is reasonable. If not, we’re comfortable with what we have.
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So, you think he's going to say all that (and that he's very happy with Reimer and Scrivens) and then turn around and acquire an obviously very questionable Kiprusoff to be the starter or platoon guy?
 
The only way i could say anything remotely positive about this rumour is if it turned out to be 100% pure bullshit.
 
Hey Let's make the next post a new rumour shall we... We get it now, people don't want Kipper and some may not be that bad about it.

Move on.
 
BeLeafer said:
Because the alternative may well be going to Abbotsford, BC.
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Nope. Besides the fact that the Flames would reap absolutely no benefit from sending Kiprusoff down to the AHL, Kipper's got an NMC, so he's driving the bus here.

He's a cost nothing option from an asset point of view. Low risk, high return.
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He won't come free. We'll have to trade something for him, even if it's a 3rd rounder. The huge amount of cap space he'll eat up is also a highly valuable asset, ditto for the compliance buyout we'd have to waste on him if we don't want to keep him and his nearly $6M cap hit around next year.

At worst, he may be brought in as a backup.
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You hope. The one good thing is that I have a lot of faith that Randy Carlyle will play the goalie that's playing the best, but I hate the idea of dumping Ben Scrivens or sticking him up in the press box as the third goalie in favour of a guy who's would be looking up the goalie standings at Raycroft and Toskala in their worst years for us.
 
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