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mbow30 said:
joseph-schwab-barrasso

leighton-boucher-emery

leighton-boucher-bobrovski

raycroft-tellqvist-aubin

it's happened before.
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I didn't check all of these, but the bullshit detector went off with the first one. Joseph broke his hand, he was on the IR.

It makes so much more sense to acquire Kiprusoff and put him in the pressbox than to have him work on his game with the Marlies.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
I bet that would have been your reaction prior to the season if I told you that with 12 games left, Scrivens would have a 918 SV% and Luongo a 904 SV%.
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Nope, quite the opposite as I was the one pointing out to anyone that would listen that Luongo was incredibly likely to have a low SV% on the season this year because he has always started slow (believe the number I pointed out was that over the last 5 years, in the first month or so of the season, his sv% has been .900)

So I predicted precisely this scenario unfolding.......mind you I'm also smart enough to recognize the limited value of such small sample sizes with goalies, when one game can literally alter a guys percentage 5 points.

When looking at sizes so small, the biggest mistake people can make, as treating them as the be all and end all for said goalies value.


Luongo is in his mid 30's now, and I know you might find this hard to believe, but there's a better chance he declines over the next few years than he repeats or improves on career norms.
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History shows us many elite goalies like Luongo are more likely to continue performing at a high level from 34-37 than they are to decrease.

History also shows us that using something as small as a 18 game sample size to predict a goalies future is foolhardy...
 
Montana said:
Nope, quite the opposite as I was the one pointing out to anyone that would listen that Luongo was incredibly likely to have a low SV% on the season this year because he has always started slow (believe the number I pointed out was that over the last 5 years, in the first month or so of the season, his sv% has been .900)

So I predicted precisely this scenario unfolding.......mind you I'm also smart enough to recognize the limited value of such small sample sizes with goalies, when one game can literally alter a guys percentage 5 points.

When looking at sizes so small, the biggest mistake people can make, as treating them as the be all and end all for said goalies value....
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Your biggest problem is that you think i'm basing my evaluation of them based only on this season.




Montana said:
History shows us many elite goalies like Luongo are more likely to continue performing at a high level from 34-37 than they are to decrease.

History also shows us that using something as small as a 18 game sample size to predict a goalies future is foolhardy...
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That group of goalies is very small. Most better than Luongo.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Your biggest problem is that you think i'm basing my evaluation of them based only on this season.
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You do use the term "better this year"...at an alarmingly high rate, and more than anyone else on this board, when it comes to these goalie discussions.

I've also rarely seen you mention Reimer's .900 (34gp) last year, or Scrivens .902 (12 gp), or Luongo's .919 (55gp), or Kipprusoff's .921 (70gp)----those all seem to be largely irrelevant to you, when compared to this seasons small sample sizes.
 
Yeah. I suppose both Aubin in 05/06 and Reimer in 10/11 were better. That's a pretty decently high bar to set, considering how well those two played during those stints.

I’m not sure how Scrivens hasn’t earned the trust to be the backup.

For one, his position would be as BACKUP goalie. I mean, how many playoff teams could withstand injuries to their starters? The Leafs with Scrivens would be better off than most of them.

Second, the only thing to detract from Scrivens value is style points. His rebound control is shaky, but it’s not like any other backup goalies wouldn’t have other problems. Because he has been quite good overall, and in almost every game. He stepped in when Reimer got injured in a pressure situation, and was solid. And he did backstop the Marlies to the AHL Finals last year.

If the Leafs have to turn to a 3rd goalie in the playoffs, the team is probably toast already.
 
Mark Masters
Interview coming up on #Tradecentre RT @coryworon In the words of Leafs GM Dave Nonis talk around the league is "dead"
 
Aardvarkmayhem said:
Yeah. I suppose both Aubin in 05/06 and Reimer in 10/11 were better. That's a pretty decently high bar to set, considering how well those two played during those stints.

I’m not sure how Scrivens hasn’t earned the trust to be the backup.

For one, his position would be as BACKUP goalie. I mean, how many playoff teams could withstand injuries to their starters? The Leafs with Scrivens would be better off than most of them.

Second, the only thing to detract from Scrivens value is style points. His rebound control is shaky, but it’s not like any other backup goalies wouldn’t have other problems. Because he has been quite good overall, and in almost every game. He stepped in when Reimer got injured in a pressure situation, and was solid. And he did backstop the Marlies to the AHL Finals last year.

If the Leafs have to turn to a 3rd goalie in the playoffs, the team is probably toast already.
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Personally I think Nonis is being honest when he says that he's perfectly happy with both of these guys and trusts them.....we all do. I think he's just open minded enough to also investigate other scenarios where he might be able to improve us at the position.

The fact he didn't do anything in the offseason to add anyone, or anything thus far, speaks to how much he believes in them though....
 
Nonis was just on TSN

- Said all along the interest in Kipper was 'a depth goaltender'
- "Reimer and Scrivens are our 2 goaltenders, they are the ones who took us to where we are and they will continue to be the guys we count on in goal. That was not going to change (with the potential trade), that is not going to change for a long time.
- So he's clarifying all along he was thinking of bringing in Kipper as a #3
- "Where I sit right now I don't see any trade for us this afternoon. We're happy with this group."

Music to my ears.
 
Montana said:
You do use the term "better this year"...at an alarmingly high rate, and more than anyone else on this board, when it comes to these goalie discussions.

I've also rarely seen you mention Reimer's .900 (34gp) last year, or Scrivens .902 (12 gp), or Luongo's .919 (55gp), or Kipprusoff's .921 (70gp)----those all seem to be largely irrelevant to you, when compared to this seasons small sample sizes.
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I said the Leafs would get 910-920 goaltending from Reimer and Scrivens prior to the season -- and that's exactly what happened. They're 7th in SV% and goaltending has been a team strength. And they're getting this type of goaltending for dirt cheap.

So we can talk about any numbers you want, from any season you want, but that above, is all that really matters to me.
 
Montana said:
You do use the term "better this year"...at an alarmingly high rate, and more than anyone else on this board, when it comes to these goalie discussions.

I've also rarely seen you mention Reimer's .900 (34gp) last year, or Scrivens .902 (12 gp), or Luongo's .919 (55gp), or Kipprusoff's .921 (70gp)----those all seem to be largely irrelevant to you, when compared to this seasons small sample sizes.
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+1
 
number17 said:
Nonis was just on TSN

- Said all along the interest in Kipper was 'a depth goaltender'
- "Reimer and Scrivens are our 2 goaltenders, they are the ones who took us to where we are and they will continue to be the guys we count on in goal. That was not going to change (with the potential trade), that is not going to change for a long time.
- So he's clarifying all along he was thinking of bringing in Kipper as a #3
- "Where I sit right now I don't see any trade for us this afternoon. We're happy with this group."

Music to my ears.
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....and all those people still lost respect for Nonis. tsk tsk.
 
James Mirtle ‏ Read into this how you will but sounds like Leafs talks with Bozak further along than MacArthur. Uncertain if they keep both.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
I said the Leafs would get 910-920 goaltending from Reimer and Scrivens prior to the season -- and that's exactly what happened. They're 7th in SV% and goaltending has been a team strength. And they're getting this type of goaltending for dirt cheap.
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..and no one argued otherwise. (nice sidestep though)
 
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