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Montana said:
Or if they'd just take Grabs for him.




I'd have zero interest in Luongo if I didn't think this was the case.....he's an incredibly well conditioned athlete.
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It's still a bad deal for us. If we wanted to do Grabs for him straight up, it'd have been done already.

Getting locked into that contract when we have a potentially equal, but much cheaper option in goal, just doesn't make sense.

But like I said, if we want to get real creative, and could trade Reimer for a top young prospect, then trade Grabs and Liles for him, then I'd be down.
 
Gillis takes a lot of shit and rightly so, but if that rumour is true it really is a pretty reasonable offer. Makes me think that he may ultimately have to buyout Luongo in the summer.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It's still a bad deal for us. If we wanted to do Grabs for him straight up, it'd have been done already.
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That's purely a fabrication on your part......you, nor I, have zero interest in Gillis would ever have any interest in taking on such a deal.


Getting locked into that contract when we have a potentially equal, but much cheaper option in goal, just doesn't make sense.
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If Reimer proves he can be his equal, we won't be dealing for Luongo at all.


But like I said, if we want to get real creative, and could trade Reimer for a top young prospect, then trade Grabs and Liles for him, then I'd be down.
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None of that is remotely realistic.
 
BeLeafer said:
That's another issue but one that is debatable. You're basing it on 17 games and without any evidence of how Kiprusoff may have performed in that role rather than as a starter. Further, he would have cost peanuts. A very low risk option, unless you think, as you did/do(?), that he was trying to smuggle him in to replace Reimer.
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Worst goalie in hockey this year, at an age where the cliff approaches rapidly, with mediocre career stats, on one of the biggest contracts in hockey, signed through next year, and his vaunted playoff experience consists of exactly one year of getting past the first round - and that was 10 years ago, in a different scoring era.

the worst possible option to be looking at, IMHO.
 
BeLeafer said:
Every scenario you folks are running with assumes that Nonis is basically an idiot or a liar. Ya, I take issue with that. I remember Quinn getting run out of town over such stuff and how that screwed the Leafs for the next 8 years.
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not many perfect GMs out there. Most have blind spots. We may have just found one of Nonis' blind spots.....which, to be fair, is a blind spot shared with many hockey people who also overvalue veteran goalies who make flashy saves.
 
Montana said:
That's purely a fabrication on your part......you, nor I, have zero interest in Gillis would ever have any interest in taking on such a deal.





If Reimer proves he can be his equal, we won't be dealing for Luongo at all.





None of that is remotely realistic.
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How so? If Reimer continues his play and has a nice playoff run, maybe a team like Philly would pay through the nose for him. Which maybe means giving up Couturier.

If we can manage that, and Van is willing to take Grabs and Liles for Luongo, that's a Stanley Cup contender we've just built.

If you think Van wouldn't take Grabs for Luongo straight up, you're kidding yourself. They needed a center (still do, if they let Roy go) and would've CERTAINLY preferred taking a four year term over Luongo's infinity year term. On what basis wouldn't they do it? Because they've got such leverage, asking for Scrivens and two 2nds?
 
zeke said:
Worst goalie in hockey this year, at an age where the cliff approaches rapidly, with mediocre career stats, on one of the biggest contracts in hockey, signed through next year, and his vaunted playoff experience consists of exactly one year of getting past the first round - and that was 10 years ago, in a different scoring era.

the worst possible option to be looking at, IMHO.
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As I said from the start, I'm not thrilled with Kiprusoff. He looks to be on the down slope. But he was a .921 goalie last year and he's 36, not 38. It's not unreasonable to think that he could return to form in a lesser role and in a different organization. His playoff numbers are very respectable. Not fair to slag him for how far the Flames advanced.
 
zeke said:
not many perfect GMs out there. Most have blind spots. We may have just found one of Nonis' blind spots.....which, to be fair, is a blind spot shared with many hockey people who also overvalue veteran goalies who make flashy saves.
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It's tough to fathom that our whole management team wouldn't be scared off by some of the worst goalie stats in the NHL this year, put up by a guy who is 36. And they wanted to extend him too???

For **** sake. That's not a blind spot, that's an insane spot.
 
zeke said:
not many perfect GMs out there. Most have blind spots. We may have just found one of Nonis' blind spots.....which, to be fair, is a blind spot shared with many hockey people who also overvalue veteran goalies who make flashy saves.
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What blind spot is that? That he looks for a vet that YOU think is shitty to play a depth role?
 
If you think it's just Nonis who felt Kiprusoff had potential to rebound, that would be in error as well. There's a large brain trust at the top of the Leafs. I highly doubt he was doing this over everyone's objections.
 
How the hell do you spend all summer bashing Luongo and then say it makes sense to pay a third goalie, with shittier stats, just as much to be a THIRD?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
How so? If Reimer continues his play and has a nice playoff run, maybe a team like Philly would pay through the nose for him. Which maybe means giving up Couturier.
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If Reimer plays at a .920 clip the remainder of the way, we'll just stick with him going forward......and no, Philly wouldn't dream of parting with Couturier for Reimer.


Van is willing to take Grabs and Liles for Luongo, that's a Stanley Cup contender we've just built.
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If we're bypassing reality to contract such a team, we may as well contract one even more impressive.


If you think Van wouldn't take Grabs for Luongo straight up, you're kidding yourself. They needed a center (still do, if they let Roy go) and would've CERTAINLY preferred taking a four year term over Luongo's infinity year term. On what basis wouldn't they do it? Because they've got such leverage, asking for Scrivens and two 2nds?
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They're probably rather deal Luongo for nothing, and sign a UFA C to a much much cheaper term....than take on Grabovski's deal. If they actually would? We'd be incredibly incredibly lucky.

LeafOfFaith said:
Because they've got such leverage, asking for Scrivens and two 2nds?
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There's a legit argument to be made Scrivens and two 2nds is worth more than Grabo on his current deal.
 
BeLeafer said:
If you think it's just Nonis who felt Kiprusoff had potential to rebound, that would be in error as well. There's a large brain trust at the top of the Leafs. I highly doubt he was doing this over everyone's objections.
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Is that really your argument? The Leafs' large brain trust all thinks so? :shocked:
 
BeLeafer said:
How the hell can't you understand that patently obvious differences?
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How the hell can't you understand that Nonis wasn't acquiring Kiprusoff with the intention of sending him to the AHL next year - he was planning on giving him an extension. He told everyone that.
 
BeLeafer said:
What blind spot is that? That he looks for a vet that YOU think is shitty to play a depth role?
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yes, that with some of the best and most cost efficient goaltending in hockey this year, he spent the entire deadline talking to the two most overpaid goalies in hockey, including finalizing a deal with one who has been literally unplayable this year.....all because Kipper has an inflated reputation.

blind spot.
 
Gillis must really be humbled right now. I have no doubt that he really believed that the Leafs were BSing him, and that they would give up value for Luongo in the end.

Maybe now he finally realizes the actual value of his "asset" is very low, perhaps even negative. That without actually offering to take on part of his caphit longterm, he might never find a taker.

At this moment, he might just be realizing for the first time that Luongo might have to be amnestied in the summer.
 
hockeylover said:
How the hell can't you understand that Nonis wasn't acquiring Kiprusoff with the intention of sending him to the AHL next year - he was planning on giving him an extension. He told everyone that.
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And for the hundredth ****ing time he also told everyone that he was trying to acquire him for depth purposes and to be the third guy. Don't shit on me because you can't get your head around how that might play out.
 
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