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What is reaching about this:

1. Have him come in as the third guy this year.

2. No guaranteed NHL job.

3. Tell him if he's going to get an NHL job next year he'll have to earn it.

4. Allow him and Scrivens to compete for the backup role next fall.

5. Whoever doesn't win, gets waived/sent to Marlies.

Totally consistent with Nonis's statements and how he's approached everything since taking over.
 
BeLeafer said:
What is reaching about this:

1. Have him come in as the third guy this year.

2. No guaranteed NHL job.

3. Tell him if he's going to get an NHL job next year he'll have to earn it.

4. Allow him and Scrivens to compete for the backup role next fall.

5. Whoever doesn't win, gets waived/sent to Marlies.

Totally consistent with Nonis's statements and how he's approached everything since taking over.
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It appears you've backed off your previous statements about how you were taking Nonis at his word that Reimer and Scrivens were going to be the guys "for a long time" regardless of a Kipper acquisition.
 
hockeylover said:
It appears you've backed off your previous statements about how you were taking Nonis at his word that Reimer and Scrivens were going to be the guys "for a long time" regardless of a Kipper acquisition.
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Not at all. Long time is a relative term.

If Scrivens can't earn the backup job, he'll be around for a long time ... on the Marlies.
 
If he can't beat out Kiprusoff is that such a bad thing? He could well pass through waivers or be traded.

I'm not nearly as big on Scrivens as I am on Reimer. Scrivens has a glaring rebound problem that is showing no signs of improving. If he can't fix that, he won't survive in the NHL.
 
BeLeafer said:
If he can't beat out Kiprusoff is that such a bad thing? He could well pass through waivers or be traded.

I'm not nearly as big on Scrivens as I am on Reimer. Scrivens has a glaring rebound problem that is showing no signs of improving. If he can't fix that, he won't survive in the NHL.
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Well if I had been the one who said THIS tonight:

"If I'm concerned with Reimer and Scrivens getting a fair shot to establish their careers - which I am - I can't think of a GM I would rather have in charge of the Leafs."

Then it would be a bad thing.

You've literally been telling us all night how much Nonis values Scrivens.
 
Not at all. A fair shot includes earning your position. Scrivens has done well this year but he is no lock for an NHL job yet. If he can't earn the job, it's fair.
 
hockeylover said:
I feel like these "Maybe..." scenarios are just really, really reaching. They seem pretty far fetched.
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Precisely how I feel about these various ideas tossed around, about what Nonis' intentions were.......was going to trade assets for Kipper, make him the #1, eat his entire salary in 2014, then give him a substantial extension, etc etc..

To me they feel equally as far fetched, if not moreso.....than the premise Nonis planned to acquire Kipper to be the #2/3, send salary to Calgary or have them eat a portion, and then attempt to sign him to a modest extension after 2014.
 
You gotta wonder based on his comments on Connolly if that wasn't the asset going the other way.

Think about that ... Connolly for Kiprusoff. Kiprusoff not guaranteed NHL job. Scrivens has to battle for his job next fall. Have a bonafide NHLer to step in if James gets injured.

All good.
 
Clearly, he meant for Kipper to take over as the backup goalie at the very least for the next few years, with a clear message to Reimer that everyone thought he couldn't handle the starter's gig, and that he'd lose it the first time he stumbled.

Anything else is far fetched.
 
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It was insane to think about bringing about this guy when he still had next year on his contract, unless he was going to retire, so it wouldn't matter.

But the fact that they offered him an extension - at the age of 36! - makes this near-disaster one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen pursued by Leafs management.

And I still think they wasted a ton of their time on the goaltending and distracted themselves from actually getting us help in the areas we need bolstering in.

Nonis gets an F for his efforts on deadline day, in my opinion.
 
I think it's funny that people think this was an all-encompassing event....like Nonis was working 24 hours a day on it...spending every moment agonizing over it to the point that other deals slipped through his fingers.
 
Montana said:
Precisely how I feel about these various ideas tossed around, about what Nonis' intentions were.......was going to trade assets for Kipper, make him the #1, eat his entire salary in 2014, then give him a substantial extension, etc etc..

To me they feel equally as far fetched, if not moreso.....than the premise Nonis planned to acquire Kipper to be the #2/3, send salary to Calgary or have them eat a portion, and then attempt to sign him to a modest extension after 2014.
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I never ONCE said I thought Nonis acquired Kiprusoff to be the #1. Not once.

I also made it very clear that I thought even a modest extension to Kiprusoff would've been a bad idea.
 
It's all a moot point now. We can all interpret it different ways, but imo I think I see it as our GM seeking a 3rd goalie for playoff insurance, and getting creative to use our remaining cap space for someone with tons of pedigree and playoff experience. He's acquired as a depth guy, and nothing more than that.

If Nonis doesn't trust Scrivens and Reimer enough, he would have pulled the trigger on Luongo, but he didn't. That's what leads me to believe Kipper was nothing more than a depth guy.
 
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