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leafman101 said:
That so insanely wrong it isn't even funny. Sure Grabo is having a bad year, but lets not forget what he has done every other year here. Grabo has one bad year and you want to amnisty him. Bozak has 4 bad years and you want to sign him to a big, long term deal. Craziness.

Bozak is a liability. he can't play defense for shit, and single handled makes one of the most productive lines in hockey an overall negative production wise. He has a net negative impact on the team. He is the worst center on the team.
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I'm not undertaking to claim Bozak is the best player ever, but he is not a bad one either. Nowhere near what some of you say about him. He shouldn't be on that line, but he has a place on the team.

I'm over Grabs.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Grabs at his best was of course better than Bozak, but he's been putrid this year, and despite having decent numbers last year, was also pretty bad on the ice, in my opinion. This year, he's taken it to another level of shittiness, and shows no signs of being able to snap out of it. He doesn't create a thing for his linemates. Just terrible.
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yeah and he's also got a gastric problem and lost 20 lbs ... at least we know why Grabs sucks... the same cannot be said of Bozak.

Grabs is not playing like he deserves his contract, and we all agree, but he's had a health problem. But you're willing to just hand a big contract to Bozak?
 
Bozak has never been remotely close to as good as Grabo was the last two years. Not even close.

And Bozak is that bad. His putrid defensive play makes him practically unplayable. Statistically One of the worst defensive centers in the league every single year he has been in the NHL. It'd be one thing if he can score. But he puts up Mark Bell/Tyler Arenson numbers playing with top 10 scorers.
 
leafman101 said:
Bozak has never been remotely close to as good as Grabo was the last two years. Not even close.

And Bozak is that bad. His putrid defensive play makes him practically unplayable. Statistically One of the worst defensive centers in the league every single year he has been in the NHL. It'd be one thing if he can score. But he puts up Mark Bell/Tyler Arenson numbers playing with top 10 scorers.
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First off, if Grabo is that injured/sick/hurt or whatever else is bothering him he should have gotten that sorted out before...I don't buy that argument at all..His drop basically started after he signed that big contract(and he's had this bothering him for a few years now)..It isn't the first time we see it happen that guys get big $$$ and their production goes down. Also it's not like he hasn't looked quick out there or that he lacks better work ethic..He's just a stupid player that's all.

As for this year..On pace for roughly 30 pts and Bozak 50 pts isn't even close so this year should count for something.

Second, it's crazy how you're basically taking away from Carlyle by even suggesting above. You think Carlyle is good yet he can't see something so obvious that Grabo, Kadri and even McClement are better players than him(according to you that is) so he chooses to play a crappy player on a top line..Give your head a shake please.
 
Yeah but comparing their production this year is completely unfair to Grabs.

Grabs should still produce more, but he's been put in a checking role, with defensive wingers.

Bozak got a combination of Kessel, JVR and Lupul on his wing (before he was injured) OTOH ...
 
PKForce81 said:
Second, it's crazy how you're basically taking away from Carlyle by even suggesting above. You think Carlyle is good yet he can't see something so obvious that Grabo, Kadri and even McClement are better players than him(according to you that is) so he chooses to play a crappy player on a top line..Give your head a shake please.
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that's by far the most irrelevant argument you can make. "I don't care what the stats say because coaches never make poor decisions."
 
leafman101 said:
that's by far the most irrelevant argument you can make. "I don't care what the stats say because coaches never make poor decisions."
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Stats..heh

For quite awhile now i've noticed that Bozak is basically being used as a guy who should concentrate on just being responsible defensively(hence his poor offensive numbers) and let his wingers try to cheat more(partly why their defensive game as a unit has been bad)..This year if you take a look at his overall production, it has gotten better(and still can go higher) and amazingly not many goals have been due to Kessel's easy feeds for tap-ins(unlike JVR's). What stat do you have to explain all of that? I'd bet with you right now that if he was put on a different line he'd get higher than 50 pts..No Phil or JVR there..Give him Kulemin and Mac and he'll achieve that...and they'll have better defensive numbers compared to Kessel line..Give them Nazem Kadri if you want.
 
Bozak's offense hasn't been impressive at all. he's been handed a premium opportunity on a silver platter 20+ minutes a game, including top PP time on a line with at least one, and as many as two, all star ppg wingers. And despite all that he produces like a below average first line player.

His offensive isn't nearly impressive enough to offset his terrible defensive play. In fact his offense is pretty poor. He is 11th in the NHL in ice time among centers and 36th in points (47th in ppg). He isn't even producing like a below average first line center. He is producing like an average second liner.

Any time a guy's production level is lower than his opportunity its not a good sign.

But like I've said, offense isn't my problem with him, and isn't what makes Bozak a complete liability on the ice.
 
ya you live with bozak's production if he's a beast defensively. think holik with the devils or a guy like hanzal today,

but he's a bad defensive forward.

he's a relaly really really nice depth piece to have. but you can't commit big bucks to him.
 
Are there people who don't want to buyout Grabovski? Even at the peak level of his production, that contract was iffy. But at his level of play and production this year, that deal is scary bad and this summer is our only chance to ditch it with no cap penalties.

I also don't buy the "gastric issues" excuse. If it's that much of an issue, why are we just hearing about it now? And why were the doctors in New York not able to find anything wrong with him?
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
J. van Riemsdyk J. Thornton P. Kessel
J. Lupul N. Kadri D. Clarkson
L. Komarov J. McClement N. Kulemin
C. Orr J. Colborne M. Frattin​
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Basically this.

The Leafs have to suck it up and get rid of a previous cap mistake in Grabo, as well as not make the same mistake again with Bozak. Then bring in a better offensive centre than either of those two to play with Kessel and maximize that investment.
 
Not sure you can afford to let them both go. Sure if you can get Thornton, but barring getting someone better you still need centers. i'd give grabo another year, or at least hold on to him until the opportunity to get someone better comes along. No rush to amnesty him this summer.

In an ideal world Colborne steals his job next year, like Kadri stole Bozak's this year, and then you amnesty/trade him.
 
LeafGm said:
Are there people who don't want to buyout Grabovski? Even at the peak level of his production, that contract was iffy. But at his level of play and production this year, that deal is scary bad and this summer is our only chance to ditch it with no cap penalties.

I also don't buy the "gastric issues" excuse. If it's that much of an issue, why are we just hearing about it now? And why were the doctors in New York not able to find anything wrong with him?
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He said they told him he had "some type of infection". I'm guessing he had a gastric biopsy done and tested positive for Helicobacter pylori.
 
mbow30 said:
ya you live with bozak's production if he's a beast defensively. think holik with the devils or a guy like hanzal today,

but he's a bad defensive forward.

he's a relaly really really nice depth piece to have. but you can't commit big bucks to him.
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Hanzal, if he could stay healthy, would be a sweet, sweet get for us. Prototype 2nd line centre to slot behind Kadri imo.
 
LeafGm said:
Are there people who don't want to buyout Grabovski? Even at the peak level of his production, that contract was iffy. But at his level of play and production this year, that deal is scary bad and this summer is our only chance to ditch it with no cap penalties.

I also don't buy the "gastric issues" excuse. If it's that much of an issue, why are we just hearing about it now? And why were the doctors in New York not able to find anything wrong with him?
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Oh, I buy the gastric issues....I just think that's another reason to amnesty him. He needed to be at the very top of his game for 5 years to justify that contract going forward.
 
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