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number17 said:
I think we HAVE TO cut Grabo loose, however I don't think Nonis & Co. shares the same assessment on Grabo. I hope I'm wrong.

In a post-playoff interview the Leafs' assistant GM (forgot his name) spoke highly of Grabo in the playoff, said he was one of a few really positive revelations about the team in the playoff. Many, among fans and media, also see Grabo's willingness to go into the dangerous areas, his willingness to take hits and keep getting back up etc as evidence that Grabo deserves to be on the team.

And those should be applauded, but the sad part is despite his willingness to sacrifice his body, he was still a negative impact on the team at BOTH ends of the rink, AND he is the most expensive forward on the team. That just CANNOT happen.

I hope Nonis is smarter than the average fan and media on Grabo.
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This!
 
MindzEye said:
There's a pretty big difference in overall play between Bozak & Weiss.

http://hockeyanalysis.com/2013/04/16/tyler-bozak-by-the-numbers/






Bozak weighs down our best player....Weiss wouldn't.

That's before we get into the defensive side of the puck where Weiss is solid, and Bozak is brutal....

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be thrilled with a long term deal for Weiss, but if we could get away with a Connolly type deal for him, I'd be interested. He would be an upgrade absolutely.
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But nothing along the lines of what we need, so even a Connolly type deal would just be a waste of two years on the guy.
 
11/12:
Bozak: 73 gms, 18 gls, 47 pts, 18:51 TOI, 52.7% FO, +0.340 QoC, -4.9 corsi rel (82 gms, 20 gls, 53 pts)
Weiss: 80 gms, 20 gls, 57 pts, 20:31 TOI, 53.2% FO, +0.869 QoC, -2.2 corsi rel (82 gms, 21 gls, 59 pts)

12/13:
Bozak: 46 gms, 12 gls, 28 pts, 20:19 TOI, 52.6% FO, +0.858 QoC, +4.0 corsi rel (82 gms, 22 gls, 50 pts)
Weiss: 17 gms, 1 gls, 4 pts, 18:28 TOI, 51.1% FO, +0.736 QoC, -15.5 corsi rel (82 gms, 5 gls, 19 pts)
 
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the weiss of a few years ago would be a solid pick up if they didn't already have grabovski signed for $5.5mn and the other option at C didn't have a similar size deficiency.

weiss could be a real nice pickup for a team because he brings a lot of good qualities (he can dish the puck, he doesn't overhandle it, he wins draws and he plays at both ends of the ice and in all situations), but i'm not sure i want to be the team to give weiss a contract after the season he just had. if you can unload grabovski on somebody while adding weiss on a one year deal it's worth a shot, but given the market for centres and his generally good (and perhaps somewhat unwarranted) rep my guess is that somebody signs him to a 3-4 year deal. on that term he'd probably come in at a bit of a discount -- at least from what he would have received if he had hit the market last summer instead of this summer -- but, again, i wouldn't want the leafs to be the team taking that chance.

we barked up that tree with connolly and it didn't work. fact is, some guys just lose it at 29-30 and weiss's 2013 suggests he might have hit that wall.
 
Unless an elite C becomes available, go with Kadri/Grabo in offensive roles, maybe pick-up a guy like PM Bouchard for cheap and see how it goes.

No use signing 50 point players for 5M.
 
Weiss is better than Bozak, he's proven it over previous 5 seasons. But I'm wary of us spending that much on Weiss after an injury plagued season.
 
Metalleaf said:
Yeah I wouldn't want Weiss if we're going to give Grabo another try next season.
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I'm not a fan of Grabo's and as much as I want him gone, they're wont be much takers for his ugly contract so yea were stuck with him. I'm with you on this, as long as Grabo is in the mix no sense in adding Weiss who is a very similar player to Grabo to the mix, we may as well stick with Kadri/Grabo as our top two offensive C's, until we can find a sucker willing to take on Grabo.
 
Aardvarkmayhem said:
Even a Bozak level producer who was better in the defensive zone and possession-wise would be a big improvement for this team, IMO.
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I find the problems with our centres is outside of Mcclement and possibly Kadri, nobody is above average in their own end. We need to add some solid two way C's to the mix this offseason, they don't have to be 60 plus point guys but a 40-50 two way guy is what we need down the middle.
 
Metalleaf said:
Weiss is better than Bozak, he's proven it over previous 5 seasons. But I'm wary of us spending that much on Weiss after an injury plagued season.
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And that's fair enough.

I don't want to come across as being a huge Weiss cheerleader in all this, as he's more of a solid #2 than the #1 we need anyway.
 
If we go with what we had this past season, i smell no playoffs.

I could be wrong, but unless Kadri replicates the season he just had we would be toast. We'd be counting on Grabovski coming back and improving from 3 seasons ago. Even then a small selfish 55-point center is not going to take us to the playoffs. Im not sure how much i buy into his success considering both his linemates had career seasons. That line clicked for that season. This year it seems teams have adjusted to their game and shut them down. Do better linemates make Grabo better? Do we want to keep a guy at 5.5 million that needs his linemates to produce?

Too many question marks.

Bozak wanting 5 million makes me sick. This is a guy that shouldn't be making a penny more than 3 million. Take him off the top line and he produces 15 points per season. Didn't he go into a major slump when not playing on the 1st line?

Weiss isn't much of an upgrade, but he has shown he can produce with inferior linemates.
 
Ideally i'd like to have Kadri in a situation where he isn't entirely relied on to carry a line.

JVR - XXXX - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - XXXX
Kulemin - XXXX - XXXX
McLaren - McClement - Orr
 
We don't need a #1 center. Kadri and Kessel were amazing when they played together.

Weiss would be a perfect #2 center behind Kadri. So would every year but last years Grabo though.
 
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