MyNameIsJonas
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I would want more than Joe in a Dion deal I think.
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I would want more than Joe in a Dion deal I think.
LeafGm
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Thornton would be a great addition, but Dion would be an awful high price to pay for a 34 year-old center that's got one more year at $7M to go before he's unrestricted. If we were giving up our captain and #1 defenseman in a trade, I'd want to be getting a long-term solution back in return.
MindzEye
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Unless of course, he heard them from Dreger at the TSN watercooler
leafman101
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I wouldn't move Dion period. He's the best dman te Leafs have had in a long, long time.
MindzEye
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Intriguing...but it would have to be Gagner and other goodies for there to be a Dion deal.
Montana
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MyNameIsJonas
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Gagner+7
for
Dion
is an interesting base....
for
Dion
is an interesting base....
Volcanologist
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Maybe Nonis isn't as lockstep with Burke as we thought. First brings in a guy who demanded a trade to be a starter when he's already got "Real Deal" Reimer, now this.
I wouldn't be totally against it, but whatever you think of Dion he's the closest thing to an elite defenceman we have right now.
JackBurton
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There's going to be a shitload of trades and it's nice to see the Leafs loading-up for the first time in years.
leafman101
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Not really. I mean maybe a couple of fantasy scenarios that could never actually happen. Certainly not a plethora.
You would have to get a better player and there aren't many of those. To make a sideways move for a guy like Staal or Getzlaf (which also would never happen) doesn't offer enough to worth upsetting the chemistry of a very good young team.
mbow30
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well i'd do it for staal or getzlaf.
the problem is that you probably can't get a guy like that for dion, even though it'd be a fair swap.
i'd do it for a 1st line C, though, easy. those guys are imo more important than a #1 defenseman and harder to find.
but the truth is that there probably isn't a trade involving phaneuf out there to be made that would be worthwhile.
the problem is that you probably can't get a guy like that for dion, even though it'd be a fair swap.
i'd do it for a 1st line C, though, easy. those guys are imo more important than a #1 defenseman and harder to find.
but the truth is that there probably isn't a trade involving phaneuf out there to be made that would be worthwhile.
organicsteroid
Banned
Phanenuf has been dangled for two weeks. Nonis wants Gagner for some reason, as did Burke(or maybe its always been Nonis). Nonis wants Monahan incredibly bad, he might do something really stupid to get him.
Franson is very appreciated(thank god) and Nonis feels that getting rid of Dion brings out what Franson will become. Did TEEDER say that Franson was a 21st century Larry Robinson lite? yes he did.
Again to emphasize, MLSE feels Franson is the new and improved Phaneuf? Me? I agree, always have.
Tanenbaum did NOT want to watch any more of Reimer being the man this year, or failing in shootouts, and gotta say Larry, NEITHER did I. Good stuff so far.
leafman101
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I can't agree that they are more important. Boston is doing just fine with Chara and no Staal or Getzlaf. A number #1 dman is just as important as a #1 center. And typically you need both.
MyNameIsJonas
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I loathe you so much.
Knew you couldn't stay away.....did the barflies finally realize you were full of it too?
mbow30
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boston is imo a bad example because although they lack a prototypical #1.... centre is still a big time strength for them. bergeron can match up against anybody. not to mention the fact that krejci plays like a superstar #1 in the playoffs.
and when you think about the impact of a #1 dman... the only guys in recent memory i can thikn of who have imapcted their team as drastically as, say, a staal or getzlaf, are pronger, chara and lidstrom. and those guys are to phaneuf what crosby and malkin are to staal and getzlaf.
when you look at guys l ike weber, phaneuf , karlsson... i just don't think their impact is as great as a bonafide first line C.
you can find dmen who bring the qualities phaneuf brings to the table and disperse them throughout your d-corpse. you can find physical guys. defensive guys. guys who can skate. guys who can play the pp. but there just aren't a lot of guys who can control the ice or dictate the pace or dominate on the puck like a ppg first line C.
and when you think about the impact of a #1 dman... the only guys in recent memory i can thikn of who have imapcted their team as drastically as, say, a staal or getzlaf, are pronger, chara and lidstrom. and those guys are to phaneuf what crosby and malkin are to staal and getzlaf.
when you look at guys l ike weber, phaneuf , karlsson... i just don't think their impact is as great as a bonafide first line C.
you can find dmen who bring the qualities phaneuf brings to the table and disperse them throughout your d-corpse. you can find physical guys. defensive guys. guys who can skate. guys who can play the pp. but there just aren't a lot of guys who can control the ice or dictate the pace or dominate on the puck like a ppg first line C.
MyNameIsJonas
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And i'm guessing he read Jays/Irish love of Monahan, noticed he was a C projected in the 7 range, and went from there.
leafman101
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I think you are underselling dmen. Chicago has Keith, Boston has Chara, LA has doughty, Pittsbrugh has Letang, the Wings had Lidstrom, the Ducks had Pronger and Neidermayer.
The Canes are the only team to win a cup without a legit #1 dman since the lockout, and probably a lot longer than that.