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Hoss said:
I don't understand the super desire to lose Grabs.... yes, this shortened season was a disaster, but I think that guy still has alot of game in him.
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I can understand it, even before the lockout he really was nothing special, just a fast skating average point producing 2nd line centre, never worth the $5.5M/5 year contract that Burke handed him. Things got worse when Kadri usurped him at a younger age and cheaper contract which meant Grabo was kicked down to the 3rd line and had a god awful season, I'm sorry but no 3C is worth that amount of money, it's absurd. Grabo does have some gas left in the tank though, and given the right situation I could see him bouncing back to 45-50 pts a season with the right linemates but even then he isn't worth $5.5M/season, and its going to be hard to trade a near 30 year old with that ugly of a contract coming off that bad of a season, may as well just buy him out.
 
organicsteroid said:
Told you that we needed an NHL goaltender that wouldn't fold like an accordion and said it would be Bernier
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No, you didn't. You have 57 posts under this new name...none of them included the name bernier until today...this is the only thing you actually said:
But I agree in having an older goalie instead of Scrivens all the way.
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Anyone else made a prescient prediction here.
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Spray and pray buddy, spray and pray.
 
People have a very skewed view of values in the NHL.

$5 million is top 2nd liner money. That is exactly what Grabo has been 2 out of the last 3 years. Its market value. You aren't getting better than a 50-60 point, solid two way second line center for that kind of money.
 
leafman101 said:
People have a very skewed view of values in the NHL.

$5 million is top 2nd liner money. That is exactly what Grabo has been 2 out of the last 3 years. Its market value. You aren't getting better than a 50-60 point, solid two way second line center for that kind of money.
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Thats just it though, Grabo is no longer a 2nd line centre, Kadri is. So unless they boost Kadri up to the Kessel/Lupul line then Grabo remains a 3C and sorry but hes' not worth that money in that role.
 
Pronger84 said:
Thats just it though, Grabo is no longer a 2nd line centre, Kadri is. So unless they boost Kadri up to the Kessel/Lupul line then Grabo remains a 3C and sorry but hes' not worth that money in that role.
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Not if Bozak is gone. Hell not even if Bozak is here, because he stinks and is worse than Grabo and Kadri.

Grabo has an off year. If he doesn't bounce back you can buy him out next offseason. But if he does he is well worth that deal.
 
leafman101 said:
People have a very skewed view of values in the NHL.

$5 million is top 2nd liner money. That is exactly what Grabo has been 2 out of the last 3 years. Its market value. You aren't getting better than a 50-60 point, solid two way second line center for that kind of money.
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I see you keep repeating this, but I think you miss the point. Regardless if that's market value or not, why are you trying up that much cap space in a 2nd tier producer. Is there really enough difference between a player like Grabovski and a young, cheap replacement, or an old cheap replacement like Matt Cullen to justify spending that cap on a very, very 2nd tier talent?

I think it's a poor way to allocate cap space, regardless if he's worth it on the open market or not. To say nothing about what it says about his commitment to the club that rescued him from pergatory and gave him a legitimate shot in the NHL, milking them for every penny he was worth on the open market.
 
It is absolutely not a poor way to allocate cap space to spend on your 2nd line center. IMO that is preposterous. It is one of the key positions on a roster. You build through the middle. Every good GM does.

And yes, Grabo of the two previous years is way better than Matt Cullen.
 
MindzEye said:
You reap what you sow when you give out big pay days to 2nd tier talent.
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Agreed! $5.5M is just disgusting for an average player. I remember the days when Sundin who IMO was close to an elite player was making that much per year, now plugs like Grabo are making that amount it's just SMH all around.
 
The rumour of Lecavalier has gone quiet for a while...

I think Nonis needs to save for the compliance buy outs for the draft.

If there is one player that you could do the regular buyout for where you are stuck with half or some crap like that would be Komi. Save the compliance ones for Grabs or Lecavalier.
 
Hoss said:
The rumour of Lecavalier has gone quiet for a while...

I think Nonis needs to save for the compliance buy outs for the draft.

If there is one player that you could do the regular buyout for where you are stuck with half or some crap like that would be Komi. Save the compliance ones for Grabs or Lecavalier.
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That's not a horrible idea in the right situation. Komi would be 2.16 million this year, and 1.16 next year on buyout according to the capgeek calculator.
 
MindzEye said:
That's not a horrible idea in the right situation. Komi would be 2.16 million this year, and 1.16 next year on buyout according to the capgeek calculator.
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That might be livable with Tucker and whoever the other guy was that are eating up $2M coming off the books.

If they do it, they can't waste an amnesty on him.
 
so far I've seen Gagner for Phaneuf or Gagner for Gardiner + and Stastny for Phaneuf. The last one Dater suggested.

This shit is painful to read sometimes
 
MindzEye said:
No, you didn't. You have 57 posts under this new name...none of them included the name bernier until today...this is the only thing you actually said:




Spray and pray buddy, spray and pray.
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I have said more than once that Tanenbaum ordered Nonis to get an NHL goaltender. Then earlier today or yesterday I mentioned we were in on Bernier and people thought that we were merely a device for getting other teams to ante up more.

I don't like seeing Frattin go, but Bernier? I am surprised this place is not going wild.
 
organicsteroid said:
I have said more than once that Tanenbaum ordered Nonis to get an NHL goaltender.
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You did, but again, he's done the opposite of what you said. He's gone and gotten someone with a lesser resume than Reimer. He didn't go out and get the type of goalie you claimed he was ordered to get.

Then earlier today or yesterday I mentioned we were in on Bernier and people thought that we were merely a device for getting other teams to ante up more.
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The first time the word "bernier" was mentioned by you was today, immediately after Jack burton posted the tweet about us trading for him.

Of course your first post mentioning Bernier was about how you already knew this was going down and LAK was holding out for our 1st. Not a ****ing peep before the deal though, not a single mention of "bernier" in any of your previous posts.
 
MindzEye said:
I see you keep repeating this, but I think you miss the point. Regardless if that's market value or not, why are you trying up that much cap space in a 2nd tier producer. Is there really enough difference between a player like Grabovski and a young, cheap replacement, or an old cheap replacement like Matt Cullen to justify spending that cap on a very, very 2nd tier talent?

I think it's a poor way to allocate cap space, regardless if he's worth it on the open market or not. To say nothing about what it says about his commitment to the club that rescued him from pergatory and gave him a legitimate shot in the NHL, milking them for every penny he was worth on the open market.
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Exactly right, market value can be a ripoff or a steal. Maximizing return depends on the level of insight and information you have that others in the marketplace do not. That's why smart people make a habit of buying low and selling high while others continue to do the exact opposite until they lose all their dough (or get fired in this case)
 
So kabby had been told he will be MTL's 2nd compliance buyout.... do we bring him back cheap to be the 6/7 dman? I wouldn't be against a 1 year 1.5mil deal
 
organicsteroid said:
I have said more than once that Tanenbaum ordered Nonis to get an NHL goaltender.
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Which still has absolutely zero proof to back it up, thus in no way shape or form being a "prescient prediction".



Then earlier today or yesterday I mentioned we were in on Bernier
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No....you discussed the Leafs and Bernier after pages and pages of both people on here discussing it, and it being all over the news/internet. Also, your only mention of Frattin was in mention of Frattin + 1st, after others speculated about those exact elements being possibly included in such a deal.

Hell, number17 literally said Frattin + a 2nd, which was far closer to anything you had ever speculated......but again, this was all after it had been talked about ad nauseum all over the net.

Keep trying to re-write history tho, and pretending you have anyone feeding you information other than the voices in your head.
 
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