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If the Flyers were interested in that deal, why didn't they simply make it with LA?
Not that I agree with this deal, but PHI went hard after Bernier, and failed because LA values our package (Frattin) over PHI's (whatever it is ... rumoured to be Read)

Now of course, the Flyers didn't offer Couturier to LA (or else they would have taken him over Frattin) ... just like they won't offer Couturier to us.

I don't see why PHI would or should trade Couturier.
 
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Rumour was, Philly was offering Read as the main part for Bernier but Read is only a 40ish point guy without much upside.

Frattin's a good young player with some upside, plus the Leafs had a good, young, cheap back-up to put in the package that Philly didn't have.
 
Teams have until 5pm tomorrow to announce their buyouts.

Nonis has 24 hours to convince a team to ship their buy-out to Toronto (along with an asset or two).
 
I don't see how any of that would result in the returns looking ugly. Scrivens will be lucky to see more than 15 games next season at league-average back-up performance, while Bernier has a good chance at becoming an elite starter. At the very least he represents a significant improvement over Scrivens.

Frattin is absolutely nothing special. He's a somewhat undersized physical third-line checker who takes too long to release his shot and was a total non-factor offensively after the first ten to fifteen games last year. His consistency and lack of additional dimensions to his offensive game beyond that shot mean that his long-term upside is limited bottom six duty. He's a loss that could easily be replaced effectively from within (by guys such as Ashton, D'Amigo, Leivo, etc.) without the Leafs suffering much for his absence.

The second round draft pick will likely be between the 50 and 60 range, which is exactly the range that we were picking this year when we dealt away #51 in the Bolland deal. Chances are that you pick up a comparable player to Jesse Blacker or Jimmy Hayes in that range, neither of whom are impact players either.

It's a minimal package really.


Completely agree, Bernier in my opinion and that of the guys hunkering around Nonis, is that this trade is one of the most significant in the last twenty years for the Leafs. MLSE felt that we had the worst two goaltenders in the NHL with the combo of Reimer and Scrivens. And I secretly felt exactly the same way.

Scrivens is a Mississippi gambler, and Reimer is a choke who cannot handle the puck. I like Reimer actually, but as a backup only for the time being.

We now have an NHL goaltender who can handle the freaking puck and win a shootout. Scrivens and Reimer were embarassing in their handling of the puck, which in my opinion is a BIG advantage, it almost gives you 2.5 defencemen out there.
 
Completely agree, Bernier in my opinion and that of the guys hunkering around Nonis, is that this trade is one of the most significant in the last twenty years for the Leafs. MLSE felt that we had the worst two goaltenders in the NHL with the combo of Reimer and Scrivens. And I secretly felt exactly the same way.

Scrivens is a Mississippi gambler, and Reimer is a choke who cannot handle the puck. I like Reimer actually, but as a backup only for the time being.

We now have an NHL goaltender who can handle the freaking puck and win a shootout. Scrivens and Reimer were embarassing in their handling of the puck, which in my opinion is a BIG advantage, it almost gives you 2.5 defencemen out there.

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Don't think there was anything secret about it.
 
Scrivens is a Mississippi gambler, and Reimer is a choke who cannot handle the puck. I like Reimer actually, but as a backup only for the time being.

My biggest problem with Scrivens is that he has absolutely zero mobility in net. He plays his angles well, but his lack of movement makes him susceptible to cross-crease passes, and he's particularly vulnerable to puck movement on the power play. The fact that he's so awkward made me nervous every time he started a game last season. I think he seemed to succeed in spite of himself and with a healthy helping of luck. It's like watching one of those mounted knights in one hundred pounds of armour and chain male knocked off their steeds and trying to do hand-to-hand combat with light infantry.

Eventually you're going to get stabbed through the heart if you can't move fast enough.
 
Average to below average goaltending in 2 of the 3 seasons.

Scrivens posted 915 in 20+ games and that didn't make you very happy.

1.) A back-up that can give you .910 or greater is comfortably above-average. These aren't starters; you expect a decline in performance relative to your number one guy.

2.) Scrivens was falling off the face of the Earth when the end of the season saved him. I'd project him to be about a .903 to .907 guy over a full year's worth of duty, but he started hot.
 
All I'm saying is, Bernier isn't an automatic upgrade in goal. But some people talk like he is.

If he posts the numbers he did in his first two NHL seasons, he's a downgrade on what we got this past season.
 
All I'm saying is, Bernier isn't an automatic upgrade in goal. But some people talk like he is.

If he posts the numbers he did in his first two NHL seasons, he's a downgrade on what we got this past season.

And if Scrivens posts the numbers that he did in 2011-12 and Bernier is only as good as those average first two seasons then it's still an upgrade.
 
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