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Leafs acquire Frederik Anderson from Ducks

zeke said:
absolutely. but that doesn't mean paying for mediocrity is a good idea. look at the pens this year - they didn't have to pay fleury at all. iirc of all those guys only crawford and quick won while getting paid that much.

and I will say that crawford's track record looks more and more elite as time goes on.
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Fair but Freddy looks like a solid above average more than he looks like mediocrity. I have no problem paying mediocre mkney for what appears to be, from a bunch of different angles to be an above average (thoufh not elite) goalie.

As for Crawford though...I think his time in Chicago has been kind to him. I don't have the time to dig up his advanced number but I remember him being fringe top 10. His raw sv% looks really good over the last bunch of years though yeah
 
I hope Dubas is right on this.. I don't really trust advanced stats for goalies though so I'm a lot less optimistic than I would be if this was for a forward or d. I guess we'll find out.. Clearly they think he's a decent amount better than a 5 million dollar goalie or they would have waited this out.
 
Be interesting to find out exactly what the Leafs are using to evaluate his numbers

Do they compare to anything we see on twitter from the usual suspects or have they gone much deeper
 
If the Leafs won't be competing for a Cup for 3 or 4 years, and Andersen isn't working out, he may be movable by then.
 
Keep in mind it's widely believed that rule changes are coming to slim down goalie gear again......and Frederik Anderson, is one of if not the, biggest goalie in the league in terms of height & weight.

I feel pretty strongly that the Leafs are confident that thw data points to Andersen having more potential remaining in him than people give him credit for, but I also think that there's an element to this deal that they feel fairly confident that new rule changes will bring a number of goalies back down to earth a fair bit....and when the dust settles FA will be quite comfortably a top 10 guy, only making top 20 money.

Personally, I'll be surprised if Andersen isn't a ~.920+ goalie for us for the duration of this deal....in a league where .920 is less common than it is today.
 
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-goalie-equipment-shrink-starting-next-season/

NHL goaltenders may look a lot smaller beginning next season.

Goalies across the league will be required to wear equipment better suited to their body size when the 2016-17 season begins or face suspension. A presentation of the new initiative, led by the NHL's Kay Whitmore, was delivered Tuesday at the annual GM meetings.

Reductions will be made to the pants and upper body of the equipment, thus cutting down on unnecessary "fat" which didn't serve to protect goaltenders, only help some gain an unfair advantage.

"If it takes a little more skill to play the position so be it," Whitmore said. "Does this make scoring go up? I don't know. That's to be seen and that's not the reason why we did it. This was [done]*because we felt there was inequities within the goalies themselves and the best goalies have come out and said that. And that's what's driving the bus here."

Some of the league's top goaltenders pushed for the change, including the Devils' Cory Schneider and Capitals' Braden Holtby. They, among others, would like the goaltending position to be more about skill and less about the puck simply caroming off enormous equipment.

"The best goalies in the league don't want big stuff," Whitmore said. "They actually want to put this to bed forever and say 'We're great no matter what we wear."'

Goalies will face a two-game suspension for non-compliance, a rule that's already in effect, but one that will be enforced more rigidly next season.*
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Montana said:
Keep in mind it's widely believed that rule changes are coming to slim down goalie gear again......and Frederik Anderson, is one of if not the, biggest goalie in the league in terms of height & weight.

I feel pretty strongly that the Leafs are very confident Andersen has more potential remaining in him than people give him credit for, but I also think that there's an element to this deal that they feel fairly confident that new rule changes will bring a number of goalies back down to earth a fair bit....and when the dust settles FA will be quite comfortably a top 10 guy, only making top 20 money.

I'll be surprised if Andersen isn't a .920+ goalie for us for the duration of this deal....in a league where .920 is less common than it is today.
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Ya I was thinking about the equipment changes as well. They obviously believe, for whatever reason, that he is a guy who is going to benefit (relative to everyone else) from the smaller equipment. How they've gone about determining that, aside from sheer size, I couldn't begin to guess. I don't love the move at first glance but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that they've done their homework on this one.
 
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zeke said:
That is a very good article from Mirtle.


See, nobody thinks Anderson is a bad goalie.

The issue is that the Leafs are making him THE goalie longterm, when his track record doesn't suggest he'll be amongst the best in the league - at a point in time where they should have been in no rush to settle for a middle of the pack goalie longterm, and could have waited until there was an opportunity for an elite goalie to come available.

And there is always the argument that under a cap, paying market price for middle of the pack performance is never a good idea.

This move only makes sense if they really believe he has upside considerably higher than he has shown, which I guess is possible. But it's not like this is a safe move either - in his only season with a starter's workload (not even a very heavy one) he was solidly below average.
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Agree with pretty much all of this. However, to be fair he was battling/recovering from an "upper body" injury when his performance went down that year (Feb/March).

Did I hear that this injury was a concussion?
 
He got cracked on the back of the head when the net fell on him.....believe his February numbers that season were all pre-injury tho, and then he returned from it in March.....for that month tho he was a ~.900 goalie or so.
 
Was looking for evidence of late season drop off and that's all I could find. Pretty strong this past season and solid in the playoffs (not so much the previous season).

Two concussions are a bit worrisome though.
 
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