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WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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By "disturbed person" I assume they mean mentally disturbed. If that's the case then this is a mental health issue more than an antisemitism issue and has nothing to do with anything. It's not justified, but it's not necessarily "proof" of rampant antisemitism either.
And as I always say, criticism of Israeli government policy or criticism of Netanyahu's fascism is NOT antisemitism. Holding any random Jew walking the streets of a North American city responsible for what Israel does is antisemitism. Beating people up because they're wearing a yamulke is antisemitism. Protesting what Israel is doing in Gaza is not.
Wayward DP
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disbelieve jews
worm
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What am I missing?
This poster doesn't cite the father (and sure probably a reasonable assumption to make that he is the Jewish father of the kids) or anyone and the video doesn't show much. It shows a couple of punches, no clue what motivated the attack (your assumption to wehave), no clue if it was unprovoked, no clue that the person was disturbed.
I've seen way too many half videos to take them at face value.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Wayward DP
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This is your reaction to a video that clearly shows an obviously Jewish (and defenceless) man being assaulted while a fucking child clings to him. Then his kippah is tossed into a puddle. This is what the video objectively shows. You can be forgiven for not seeing/identifying the kippah but the rest is straightforward.
Give your head a fucking shake.
At the time I posted the vid the story was already being covered and reported on by multiple mainstream and legit outlets.
I expect that kinda shit from wehave but maybe your instant reaction when you see a Jew being assaulted is also that they must have done something to deserve it…
Wayward DP
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worm
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That was my post about it.. As I watched the video my thoughts were okay he got up. Good. Then is he stopping his kid from attacking him. Kid has balls.
My initial reaction to the context was "did this happen because he was Jewish" and I did a quick search to find more but all I could see was that video or ppl basing everything on that video.
My bias is definitely that I don't want it to be a hate crime. Because I don't want to believe people are that shitty.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
In fairness to worm, without having actual evidence that the attack was motivated by the ethnicity of the victim, what is different between that and low level violence that happens dozens of times per day in a large city?
We can see that a person wearing the kippah is the victim, but there's not enough context given to the viewer for them to properly determine motivation. Dude could have owed the attacker 5 bucks, called his mother a cunt, who knows. The assault was hardly vicious, however distasteful it is.
Preston
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And also because hate crimes require more evidence than a video of a violent act. If he wasn't wearing a kippah or if he was black or asian, my first thought wouldn't be that it was a hate crime. Obviously open to it and obviously it happens, but I'm gonna need some real evidence to toss out that accusation.
Wayward DP
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a tweet with a video was posted. The video shows a defenceless Jew being assaulted.
The immediate reaction was to apparently doubt the veracity of the caption (which was obviously prima facie supported by the content of the vid) rather than condemn the violence
don’t think anyone mentioned anything about hate crimes till yall brought it up
The immediate reaction was to apparently doubt the veracity of the caption (which was obviously prima facie supported by the content of the vid) rather than condemn the violence
don’t think anyone mentioned anything about hate crimes till yall brought it up
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
But why do I care specifically that he's jewish if it's not a racially/ethnically motivated crime?
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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I hadn't seen anything in the news prior to seeing what you posted and I couldn't tell that the guy was "clearly" anything from that distance. I surmised at the end that the thing the attacker tossed may have been a kippah but again, the person taking the video was too far away and frankly, he or she should have put the fucking phone down and intervened, but that's a topic for another day.
As for your conclusion that the attack is all about antisemitism and not mental illness with an antisemitic element is just an assumption. It could be either. We dont know. You THINK you know, based on what you saw in that clip. But we dont know what proceeded the clip or what came after. Again, the cell phone camera person should have done something besides record the incident from 50 yards away.
I think you are safe in assuming that the attack was unprovoked but your assumption as to the motive and mental state of the attacker is a guess. There are more mentally ill people walking the streets than otherwise sane people with that degree of antisemitic rage randomly assaulting people. When a few hundred of them block a downtown street and chant slogans they are emboldened by their numbers, but alone they don't generally go around attacking people in broad daylight. Either way,and while what happened is horrible, I am not prepared to say that Jews in Montreal have to fear for their lives. That's hyperbole of the worst sort.
And your contention that I am an anti-Semite is starting to piss me off for a couple of reasons. First of all, Im not and never have been. Only a simpleton equates criticism of Israeli policies or of Israeli politicians with antisemitism. It's just a ploy to shut down debate and it won't wash. But on a personal level both I and my family have always had Jewish friends. When I was little we lived in what was then a Jewish neighborhood in Laval, around the corner from a synagogue, with many Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And just last week I was shocked and saddened to find out that a good and close friend of mine from my university days, a Jewish guy, had passed away only a couple of weeks after I last spoke with him on the phone (he had retired to Arizona) So spare me your bullshit. I will continue to criticize Israel and especially it's fascist leader Netanyahu. That doesn't make me antisemitic and if you think it does then that just makes you an idiot.
Leafyblue
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MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
This is what we get for being on the Americans side of automobile industry protectionism.
calgary.citynews.ca
Time to open the door to BYD. Of the 1.3 million cars made a year in Canada, 900K are Toyota and Honda vehicles anyway. Let's get out of the way of the US protectionism and let their Big 3 wither and die.
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calgary.citynews.ca
Time to open the door to BYD. Of the 1.3 million cars made a year in Canada, 900K are Toyota and Honda vehicles anyway. Let's get out of the way of the US protectionism and let their Big 3 wither and die.
This is what we get for being on the Americans side of automobile industry protectionism.
China announces 75.8% tariffs on Canadian canola
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Time to open the door to BYD. Of the 1.3 million cars made a year in Canada, 900K are Toyota and Honda vehicles anyway. Let's get out of the way of the US protectionism and let their Big 3 wither and die.
agree. Mexico is doing it the right way. Produce them in Canada and jobs will mainly move from big 3 to byd (and other China manufacturers). Hopefully, get everything set up in next 3 years so we are preferred vs ever producing it in the USA to keep even more jobs here.
manny
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The problem is BYD doesn’t want to set up factories in Canada to service the Canadian market, they want to export vehicles made to North American specs directly from China using cheap, and in some case slave labour.
Now, if we had some kind of “auto pact” or “free trade agreement” with the US so Canadian-made BYD vehicles could be sold into the US, we might be an attractive spot for investment.
In the meantime removing the surtax means flooding the Canadian market with cheap Chinese cars and signing the Canadian auto industry’s death certificate. Bonne chance forever to whatever political party agrees to do that.
Now, if we had some kind of “auto pact” or “free trade agreement” with the US so Canadian-made BYD vehicles could be sold into the US, we might be an attractive spot for investment.
In the meantime removing the surtax means flooding the Canadian market with cheap Chinese cars and signing the Canadian auto industry’s death certificate. Bonne chance forever to whatever political party agrees to do that.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Before Trump's trade nonsense, BYD was planning to build a factory in Mexico fwiw. Which is little different than how other auto makers look at north american production. They would probably play ball with us if it meant getting into the market.
The Chinese cars wouldn't be that cheap after freight and all that (The Dolphin just launched in Europe for about 30K CAD). Also, the two largest automakers in Canada compete with BYD in China and the rest of Asia just fine. This is an overcooked point imo. What can't compete against BYD is 40+K shitty EV's like the Bolt, a Nissan Leaf for 50K, a fucking equinox for 55K, etc....but isn't that how a capitalism is supposed to work? Why in the fuck are we choosing winners and losers? Why are we protecting Chevy, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia etc who can't seem to make a good EV for less than 50 grand. If we were protecting Toyota and Honda (our two largest manufacturers and employers in the auto sector by a lot) I would get it, but we're not. We're protecting like 15K jobs at the big 3.
manny
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The historical nationality of the brand is a red herring. We’re protecting Canadian manufacturing, much of which is Japanese brands as you said, but most importantly Canadian jobs.
The investment calculation is totally different with Trump trying to destroy our auto industry. Toyota and Honda aren’t here to service the Canadian market. They’re here because it was economically viable to do final assembly in Canada and then sell into the US. Until that situation returns, we’re not getting any new auto plants. Meanwhile, if the surtaxes are removed, Canadian producers will suddenly be competing in the Canadian market with Chinese imports (and yeah, they’ll be cheaper and *possibly* better.)
I’m not saying it’s best from a consumer perspective. I’m saying it’s the reality faced by any decision maker right now. You can’t say you’re protecting Canadian industry and at the same time take steps that are going to result in all the auto plants shutting down (they might anyway).