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zeke said:
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Wait until the lie polls at 65% approval.

Tax on large passenger vehicles? I'd vote for that. The amount of oversized grocery getters on the roads are out of fucking control. They burn more fuel and emit for CO2 per km of travel than any other passenger vehicle type on the road, they weight a fuckton more so they degrade asphalt quality faster, they're more dangerous in collisions (physics is a thing and doesn't care about the 5 star safety rating in your Prius), and they're harder to drive/see around when you're a human who chooses a sensibly sized personal vehicle.

Tax them, with an exemption for work vehicles, tell me when and where to place my vote.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
I can't find a link that isn't from Sun Media but apparently the feds (or as the Sun says "Trudeau") will be enacting a tax on people who buy big trucks and SUV's. I fully support this measure. I would be willing to consider exemptions for people who have a genuine business-related need for an F350 pickup truck, but for the "Fuck Trudeau" crowd who buy them solely in the hopes that it will make their micro-phalluses grow a few inches longer I'm happy to make them pay for the privilege.
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How about people who haul horses and boats. Is that a good reason? Or should boats be banned to? Who shall be the minister responsible for deciding what a good reason for a pick up truck is?

I'm sorry some guy in a pickup cut you off once or something, but some of the arguments for this shit are just as dumb as somebody owning an F350 with no use for it.

Gas prices and electric vehicles are going to sort this shit out soon anyway. Hang tight.
 
MindzEye said:
Wait until the lie polls at 65% approval.

Tax on large passenger vehicles? I'd vote for that. The amount of oversized grocery getters on the roads are out of fucking control. They burn more fuel and emit for CO2 per km of travel than any other passenger vehicle type on the road, they weight a fuckton more so they degrade asphalt quality faster, they're more dangerous in collisions (physics is a thing and doesn't care about the 5 star safety rating in your Prius), and they're harder to drive/see around when you're a human who chooses a sensibly sized personal vehicle.

Tax them, with an exemption for work vehicles, tell me when and where to place my vote.
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If you really want to know why our roads suck, check out the ontario auditor general's report on road infrastructure from a few years ago. Corruption in the construction industry is the answer. Roads that last 15 years don't pay.
 
Leafyblue said:
All that plate sticker revenue will help pay to fix the roads. Oh, wait. :unsure:
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I'm not in favour of the license plate renewal fees and stickers either.

I'm all for recovering the costs of road use, but there's already way easier ways to collect that tax money than charging for plate stickers. Set your fuel taxes appropriately and be done with it. All the plate stickers do is create an entire bureaucracy around tracking when fees are due, producing and mailing the stickers etc. Unneeded information systems and civil servants whose entire job it is is to administer the program.

Plenty of jurisdictions with higher taxes and better roads than us don't have any kind of plate renewal fee or stickers. Unless I'm missing something, it's an inefficient way to collect tax revenue.

Not every decision is a bad one because it's attached to the Cons.

I will grant that refunding the fees at this point is pretty blatant election buying though, ya.
 
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WellPlayed said:
If you really want to know why our roads suck, check out the ontario auditor general's report on road infrastructure from a few years ago. Corruption in the construction industry is the answer. Roads that last 15 years don't pay.
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Driving 5000 pound vehicles to get everywhere absolutely does more damage than driving a 3000 pound vehicle to get everywhere, regardless of whether your construction companies are overdoing it with the "recycled" motor oil in the asphalt bit.

and because your nipples appear to be in a twist, let's be clear. Nobody is saying ban truckss and kick every F150 driver in the dick from now until Polar Bears reclaim every square km of their ancestral habitat. But additional taxation for additional societal cost? That's the way this is supposed to work.
 
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WellPlayed said:
I'm not in favour of the license plate renewal fees and stickers either.

I'm all for recovering the costs of road use, but there's already way easier ways to collect that tax money than charging for plate stickers. Set your fuel taxes appropriately and be done with it. All the plate stickers do is create an entire bureaucracy around tracking when fees are due, producing and mailing the stickers etc. Unneeded information systems and civil servants whose entire job it is is to administer the program.

Plenty of jurisdictions with higher taxes and better roads than us don't have any kind of plate renewal fee or stickers. Unless I'm missing something, it's an inefficient way to collect tax revenue.

Not every decision is a bad one because it's attached to the Cons.

I will grant that refunding the fees at this point is pretty blatant election buying though, ya.
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Agreed. Tax the sales of the vehicle, charge for the plates and now fuck off. Consumption taxation (gas tax) is a far better way of going about the rest of it.

I dislike Dougie intensely...but don't hate this move in a vacuum. He won't replace the funding though and will just cut social programs for something else important to pay for this, but that's another issue entirely with that muppet.
 
MindzEye said:
Driving 5000 pound vehicles to get everywhere absolutely does more damage than driving a 3000 pound vehicle to get everywhere, regardless of whether your construction companies are overdoing it with the "recycled" motor oil in the asphalt bit.

and because your nipples appear to be in a twist, let's be clear. Nobody is saying ban truckss and kick every F150 driver in the dick from now until Polar Bears reclaim every square km of their ancestral habitat. But additional taxation for additional societal cost? That's the way this is supposed to work.
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Nah nipples aren't in a twist at all, I'm just discussing. Unless you're referring to my reply to WeHave, in which case it's just that I hate him.

But aren't all the fuel taxes plus the carbon tax taking care of the additional taxation for additional societal cost? Pickup and SUV drivers are already paying far more for the privilege. So how far do we need to take this?
 
WellPlayed said:
I'm not in favour of the license plate renewal fees and stickers either.

I'm all for recovering the costs of road use, but there's already way easier ways to collect that tax money than charging for plate stickers. Set your fuel taxes appropriately and be done with it. All the plate stickers do is create an entire bureaucracy around tracking when fees are due, producing and mailing the stickers etc. Unneeded information systems and civil servants whose entire job it is is to administer the program.

Plenty of jurisdictions with higher taxes and better roads than us don't have any kind of plate renewal fee or stickers. Unless I'm missing something, it's an inefficient way to collect tax revenue.

Not every decision is a bad one because it's attached to the Cons.

I will grant that refunding the fees at this point is pretty blatant election buying though, ya.
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Well, in my case, the sticker is the only thing holding the plate together. Maybe Doug should replace my faulty plate for nothing, too. :sneaky:
 
MindzEye said:
Driving 5000 pound vehicles to get everywhere absolutely does more damage than driving a 3000 pound vehicle to get everywhere, regardless of whether your construction companies are overdoing it with the "recycled" motor oil in the asphalt bit.

and because your nipples appear to be in a twist, let's be clear. Nobody is saying ban truckss and kick every F150 driver in the dick from now until Polar Bears reclaim every square km of their ancestral habitat. But additional taxation for additional societal cost? That's the way this is supposed to work.
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Anything south of North Bay, I agree, tax the hell out of them.
But in the north, many people carry their own plows, feed and stock.
 
WellPlayed said:
Nah nipples aren't in a twist at all, I'm just discussing. Unless you're referring to my reply to WeHave, in which case it's just that I hate him.
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lol, fair enough.

WellPlayed said:
But aren't all the fuel taxes plus the carbon tax taking care of the additional taxation for additional societal cost? Pickup and SUV drivers are already paying far more for the privilege. So how far do we need to take this?
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The fuel tax really only (partially) addresses emissions. There's a bunch of hidden costs that society is footing the bill on so that 25% of Canadians can pretend that they haul more than one load of lumber every 3 years or tow a boat more than twice a summer.

- Despite advances in passenger car safety tech (and decreases in drunk driving rates), fatality rates per accident have gone up for people in passenger vehicles since 2008. Light Truck vehicle weights are up approx 20% over that same period and hood height is up 11%. Trucks are heavier, harder to drive and physics is physics. Hit me with something bigger than me, I lose way more often that you do. Trucks are also way, way more likely to kill pedestrians or cyclists when they come together, compared with passenger cars.

- The amount of road damage isn't a progressive scale. 5000LB isn't 1.66x more damaging than 3000LB. NTSB in the US calculates weight per axle x 2 to the 4th power for calculating road damage caused by vehicles. So for example a 5093 pound F150 (2547 lb per axel) vs a 3517 BMW coupe(1759 pound per axel) would work out to the F150 causing ~6.4x the amount of damage.

The North American middle class lifestyle is an externality generating machine that we then turn around and demand that the government hide from view so we don't have to think about them, but without making us actually pay more for any of the knock on effects.
 
It would be nice of electric vehicles didn't have a two year wait.

Electric vehicles can tow and the trucks are there as well.
 
worm said:
It would be nice of electric vehicles didn't have a two year wait.

Electric vehicles can tow and the trucks are there as well.
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EV's won't make a dent in our energy consumption patterns until the early 2030's at best. The vehicles themselves are just reaching cost parity with internal combustion now, so true mass adoption of the technology isn't happening until there is cost parity (or heaven forbid, savings). That demand will spur investment in scaled manufacturing capability (currently starting to happen) but even then those need to be bought. There are 35 million registered vehicles in Canada, but only 1.6 million of them were purchased new in 2021.

So even if....

- there were 1.6 million EV's for us to buy
- and demand was for 100% EV's

It would take fucking years for a big percentage of daily use vehicles to be EV's.
 
Can we handle everyone charging EV’s on our power grid? It seems every summer we hear about record power usage. What does mass adoption of EV’s do to that?
 
I thought peak power usage was actually down in recent years due to less industry?

Either way, you could see this EV thing coming for years so if we drop the ball on grid planning that's weapons grade incompetence.
 
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