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For those of us who don't want any part in fulfilling the rest of the F-35 contract, Saab has chosen a replacement engine for the Gripen E that is immune from ITAR requirements. They've picked the Rolls Royce EJ230 (an updated version of the EJ200 that's in the eurofighter). It was the runner up initially when Sweden went looking for engines for the C block upgrades. The EJ230 is more powerful and has thrust vectoring, but was more expensive than the GE engine they went with.

The new engines are available more or less off the shelf from Rolls Royce, and they also allow foreign licensing and construction so I would expect us to go that way if we pick the Gripen.

This is probably a no brainer decision tbh. The Rafale and the Eurofighter are fantastic 4-4.5th gen aircraft but way more expensive than the Gripen for not a lot (if any) additional capability that we need. As a bridge to a 6th gen fleet in 20+ years, this is probably the way and Saab + Rolls Royce both allow foreign construction under license so it would be an immediate big win for Carney to buy 80-100 Gripen's and announce it's all being built here.

Portugal just announced the flip from the F-35's a few weeks ago as well


100 would cost about 4 billion USD and is the cheapest to maintain of anything we would consider buying, probably by a lot.


Would be completely fine with reducing the F-35 order down to only the 16 we’ve already paid for, then going with these for the remainder of our fighter fleet.
 
Would be completely fine with reducing the F-35 order down to only the 16 we’ve already paid for, then going with these for the remainder of our fighter fleet.

Same, I think that's the sweet spot. The concern about running a multi fighter fleet is the cost of operating two supply chains, two sets of training requirments, etc and some of that is going to be a thing but the Gripen is so fucking compartively cheap to buy and run that it mitigates most of those concerns. It does 98% of anything we would ever need a fighter aircraft to do and for the off chance that we need something with true stealth (the Gripen has an electronic warfare suite that gives it a small radar cross section, but not like the F-35), then we would have a single squadron capable of those types of missions. I was fine with a move to Rafale's or Eurofighters, but not really happy about it. They cost similar per plane as the F-35 and paying the same money for no stealth was something I was "okay" with, but mehhhhh. The Gripen doing everything those other two airframes do for half the cost? Allowing us to manufacture it in Canada? Fucking right, let's go.
 
Gas prices at the Costco here were 1.11 the other day. Yeah if I hear someone bitch and moan about gas prices, its on.
More that "the liberal could have done this all along" crowd... didn't realize that the liberals had the power to lower current oil prices 21% this year. Single issue idiots with no view of anything other than the confirmation bias they want to have.
 
How are you guys holding up down there?

Speaking with some coworkers in TX and OK they appear happy with how things are going but I do wonder if this is a front and an unwillingness to admit things are looking grim
Stress, worry, fear, anger... it's going great </s>. Not only economically and rule of law stuff, but I also have LGBTQ kid, so I'm a bit plugged into the panic going on there. My kid is legit thinking about escape plans from the US if needed.
 
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Unfortunately we have a ton of confidently stupid people here as well.

If i have to hear about the carbon tax and gas prices one more time I'll snap.
I’m so happy that the carbon tax is gone. I saved $35 every time I fill up my pick up, which is typically one and a half times per week.
 
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