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NHL Team Values

Forbes is just a very rough estimate. There's no way MLSE would sell the Leafs for only 1B.

Forbes said the Clippers were worth 750 million and they sold for 2 billion.

Leafs attendance and ratings are down so it makes sense for Forbes to account for that. But in terms of what someone would pay to buy the Leafs, it would be way higher than Forbes value.
 
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The lower ranking seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction to one of the worst seasons in Leaf history. Sure, fans were staying away in droves towards the end of the season, but it's a bit of a stretch to assume that it's part of any long-term trend. Montreal & the Rangers have much more of a history of having loads of empty seats in the stands whenever their teams aren't good.

I also seriously doubt that the Rags or the Habs make more money than the Leafs, or if you put all three teams out on the open market that the Leafs wouldn't have an astronomically higher selling price. It wasn't even that long ago that the Habs hit the open market and nobody even wanted to buy them.
 
LeafGm said:
The lower ranking seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction to one of the worst seasons in Leaf history. Sure, fans were staying away in droves towards the end of the season, but it's a bit of a stretch to assume that it's part of any long-term trend. Montreal & the Rangers have much more of a history of having loads of empty seats in the stands whenever their teams aren't good.

I also seriously doubt that the Rags or the Habs make more money than the Leafs, or if you put all three teams out on the open market that the Leafs wouldn't have an astronomically higher selling price. It wasn't even that long ago that the Habs hit the open market and nobody even wanted to buy them.
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Nailed it.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs wouldn't sell for an astronomically higher price than any other franchise (keeping in mind especially the physical fungible assets like Maple Leaf Square and numerous other MLSE holdings) isn't very good with finance.

Imagine how much the team would be valued if they were coming off a run of success like the Pat Quinn era years.
 
I don't think Forbes takes things like ML Square and the other physical holdings into account (arena, mastercard centre, condos) etc.... but I don't think they do that in Montreal either (Bell Centre, Tour des Canadiens which is under construction, practice rink in Brossard, etc...) I think its just the team that is valued in both cases.

That said, they are just guesstimates, and I've long had issue with these forbes articles because they don't have access to the real books, and they are just fun little article the magazine does where they put some financial guys on this for a couple weeks, make some guesstimates and mvoe on to doing what they normally do. Everyone pretends they are experts, but actual sale prices and Forbes Guesstimates have never really lined up in any year that teams were sold.
 
Rangers I can at least understand due to the massiveness of New York City (21 million people within 100 km of the arena) and its unparalleled media market, and the inflated values of their sports franchises as a result, but Montreal is 40 percent smaller than Toronto and has been equally unsuccessful in the post-season for the past two decades.

Habs also have lower average ticket prices and don't draw nearly as much revenue.
 
I just checked and they gave Montreal a greater market value ($580 million) than Toronto ($543 million). I love Montreal as much as any Anglophone, but that's just blatant idiocy from an economic standpoint.

That more than accounts for the disparity between the two team evaluations and it's hard to take it seriously. There isn't a single investor around that would rank Toronto behind any place in Quebec economically.
 
It makes complete sense that the value would drop with a decade of poor performance combined with the dollar decline. Last year the revenues finally took a hit after all the years of losing. They had their worst attendance, probably since the ACC opened.

Its pretty unique to have a business continually grow in revenue and value with awful performance. Fans seemed to have enough of this team last year.

On the other side the Habs and Rangers have both had deep playoff runs, which is a huge boon to the bottom line.

Attendance is back up so far this year.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
I just checked and they gave Montreal a greater market value ($580 million) than Toronto ($543 million). I love Montreal as much as any Anglophone, but that's just blatant idiocy from an economic standpoint.
That more than accounts for the disparity between the two team evaluations and it's hard to take it seriously. There isn't a single investor around that would rank Toronto behind any place in Quebec economically.
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Yeah that's just nonsense.
 
If all the NHL teams were suddenly up for sale, there's no doubt the leafs and rangers would sell for the most. There would probably be a huge gap between those 2 and the 3rd team.
 
LeafGm said:
Dude, you have a really serious obsession with JackBurton.

Perhaps it's time to admit you have a problem?
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He is an interesting case. I have never "met" a former Montrealer with a nose that far up Toronto's ass. It would make a good case study.
 
Their valuations seem to not really count longer term potential, and tend to focus in the moment. Essentially, "if the team was run like last year every year until the end of time, how much would they be worth". Like, I would also expect the Kings and Flyers to sell for more than the Canucks if there were a general auction of all teams. And they obviously don't factor in the move to Brooklyn as they have the Islanders at #22.
 
UWHabs said:
Their valuations seem to not really count longer term potential, and tend to focus in the moment. Essentially, "if the team was run like last year every year until the end of time, how much would they be worth". Like, I would also expect the Kings and Flyers to sell for more than the Canucks if there were a general auction of all teams. And they obviously don't factor in the move to Brooklyn as they have the Islanders at #22.
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I dunno, they may actually have overrated the Isles' value. The move to Brooklyn hasn't exactly been a smashing success so far, with the team averaging about 12,000 fans a game there (which actually places them behind Arizona, and ahead of only Carolina & Florida in terms of average attendance).
 
Your brand has taken a huge hit in the last 12 yrs or so. All you need is to make playoffs and your value will rise.
 
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