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NHL Team Values

If they are taking into account all the post season money Montreal and new York typically get, then ya, I could see it.

Habs also have a good TV deal.
 
JackBurton said:
I thought Hab fans didn't care about this?
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I always respected the value of the franchise. Then again I am an entrepreneur so I do think along those lines.

I wasn't being facetious either, when was the last time they didn't top the Forbes list? I can't remember.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
I just checked and they gave Montreal a greater market value ($580 million) than Toronto ($543 million). I love Montreal as much as any Anglophone, but that's just blatant idiocy from an economic standpoint.

That more than accounts for the disparity between the two team evaluations and it's hard to take it seriously. There isn't a single investor around that would rank Toronto behind any place in Quebec economically.
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Remember that RDS and TVASports both threw boatloads of money to MTL for French TV rights, and they have more reach than we do; while there are Leafs fans in QC, there are tons of Habs fans in this province and elsewhere in Canada.
Even so though, the franchises should at least be even (to your point) given the tons of ancillary revenues that the Leafs bring in.
 
The only true test of market value is to list it for sale. Neither team is for sale. Leafs likely would fetch more on the open market. However, their revenues are down due to a lack of playoff money lately. They have only had three home playoff games since 2004. While they get more per regular season game than we do, add in the additional playoff money we have had the last couple of years (6 games last year, 8 the year before) and that might put us ahead revenue wise at this moment in time.

As I wrote above, the Leaf brand has taken a hit the last 11 years. All you need is one good playoff run to get back to top spot in valuation.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
Your brand has taken a huge hit in the last 12 yrs or so. All you need is to make playoffs and your value will rise.
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This. And...

Habitants87 said:
If they are taking into account all the post season money Montreal and new York typically get, then ya, I could see it.

Habs also have a good TV deal.
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This.
The new Rogers/Bell TV deal is very different from the deal they had when the teacher's union owned the Leafs. That, and a decade of futility with no playoffs made the biggest difference.
All the Canadian teams lost value, (except the Habs), thanks to the Canadian dollar losing value, but only the Leafs lost double-digits. Still, if Shanny and Co. get the Leafs into the post season in a couple years, it won't be any surprise to see Forbes list the Leafs at the top again.
It's also no surprise that the top five revenue generating teams are still the top five. You can shuffle them around in the rankings, but it's always the same names raking in the bulk of the league's cash.
 
blacksheep said:
It's also no surprise that the top five revenue generating teams are still the top five. You can shuffle them around in the rankings, but it's always the same names raking in the bulk of the league's cash.
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Yep. That's not changing anytime soon either.
 
And yet fans wonder if Bettman is doing a good job.

Most of the owners are not booing, that's for sure.
 
Its not true anyway. Last year only 3 teams drew under 15,000 a game. The NBA had 4. 13 teams sold out every game, compared to 10 in the NBA.

Mean attendance in the NHL was 748,000 to 746,000 in the NBA.

This year 23 markets are averaging 90% attendance or better.

Attendance has been strong, outside of a handful of markets.
 
Plus there'll be more gravy to share among owners when the league collects a big expansion fee for the eventual 2nd team in Southern Ontario.
 
leafman101 said:
Its not true anyway. Last year only 3 teams drew under 15,000 a game. The NBA had 4. 13 teams sold out every game, compared to 10 in the NBA.

Mean attendance in the NHL was 748,000 to 746,000 in the NBA.

This year 23 markets are averaging 90% attendance or better.

Attendance has been strong, outside of a handful of markets.
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so from those numbers nearly a quarter of the league is problematic. sounds about right, yeah.

welp, keep that expansion gravy coming in I guess. it's gotta come from somewhere.
 
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