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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

Career Goals Per game (min 164gms)

1. W M.Bossy (1978-1987): 752gms, 0.76gpg
2. C M.Lemieux (1985-2006): 915gms, 0.75gpg
W C.Dennehy (1918-1929): 329gms, 0.75gpg
W B.Dye (1920-1931): 272gms, 0.75gpg
3. C A.Matthews (2016-2025): 629gms, 0.64gpg
4. W P.Bure (1992-2003): 702gms, 0.62gpg
5. W A.Ovechkin (2006-2025): 1491gms, 0.61gpg
6. C W.Gretzky (1980-1999): 1487gms, 0.60gpg
C C.Denneny (1918-1928): 176gms, 0.59gpg
7. W Br.Hull (1987-2006): 1269gms, 0.58gpg
8. W Bo.Hull (1958-1980): 1063gms, 0.57gpg
9. W T.Kerr (1981-1993): 655gms, 0.56gpg
10. W R.Marktin (1972-1982): 685gms, 0.56gpg

Centers Only

1. C M.Lemieux (1985-2006): 915gms, 0.75gpg
2. C A.Matthews (2016-2025): 629gms, 0.64gpg
3. C W.Gretzky (1980-1999): 1487gms, 0.60gpg
4. C P.Esposito (1964-1981): 1282gms, 0.56gpg
5. C M.Dionne (1972-1989): 1348gms, 0.54gpg
 
The frustrating part is 12 minutes is his most usage he's avg in 5 years. Patches scored a big goal with increased usage in game 6 and better players.
 
JackBurton said:
The frustrating part is 12 minutes is his most usage he's avg in 5 years. Patches scored a big goal with increased usage in game 6 and better players.
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For me it's that he's always the one overlooked for promotion up the lineup, regardless of how he's been playing, his fit with certain players, etc. Over the last 2 seasons we've seen Jarnkrok, Lorrentz, McMann, Holmberg, Pacioretty, and even Noah fucking Gregor get cups or coffee or auditions with the top 6. Robertson's production has earned him a long look and he's never gotten one.
 
Well yeah, cause coaches trust all those guys and they don't trust Robby. His lack of progression isn't talent its not playing like coaches want complementary players to play.

He's gotten every opportunity this year. He started in the playoff lineup. But in 2 games he had 0 ixGF, led the team in turnovers, and took a bad penalty.

He's has to eliminate that kinda stuff from his game. Just be reliable with and without the puck, play the pk then he'll get more minutes and never be taken out of lineups. But coaches don't trust him on the ice against other teams best players, and for good reason.
 
leafman101 said:
Well yeah, cause coaches trust all those guys and they don't trust Robby.
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Despite a bunch of those players being horrific at what coaches "trust" them for. If Robertson had ever played a 6 game stretch like what we just saw from McMann, he would have been fired out of a canon into space.

Someone is going to give him a real top 6 opportunity somewhere else and we're going to be scratching our heads about why it didn't work here when he scores 30 for someone else.
 
McMann is a perfect example. He's not scoring, but he had 0 giveways, led the Leafs in hits, didn't put the leafs shorthanded, still reliable defensively. Its guys like him and Knies getting the opportunities. Cowan is probably going to pass Robertson shortly soon too if he doesn't make a change.

Same thing as back in the day when Babs said Kappy and Johnsson should play more like Hyman.

If you are not a line driver with your skill, which none of these guy are talented enough to be, you can't hurt your team with turnovers, penalties and soft defensive play. You gotta be a guy the coach wants to have out on the ice 16 minutes a game against the best players in the world, not a guy the coach is scared to have on the ice.
 
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I wish i could get mad at robby not playing but i'm not sure i can right now.

Honestly with Kampf out of the lineup it's hard to be angry about much right now. The only unskilled forward in the lineup is Lorentz, and i think we all like Lorentz' game and don't really want robby playing that role anyways,.


JackBurton said:
Patches scored a big goal with increased usage in game 6 and better players.
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goal came with Domi and Holmberg actually.

though his assist came with willy.
 
I agree, McMann is a perfect example of what I'm saying, but not for why you're saying he is. Getting caved in nearly every shift, but runs around hitting things, underwater in every expected and real goal metric despite light usage and good linemates. Not at all reliable defensively, actually giving up some of the worst high danger chance numbers among our forwards. But he looks like he's working hard out there and NHL coaches are impervious to evidence that countermand their preferred narrative. This is how game seven season ending goals are scored with Noah Gregor on the ice.
 
Nah.

Round 1 5v5
McMann - 0.44 ixGF/60 (9th), 0 give/60 (t - 1st), 18.36 HF/60 (2nd), +2 penalties (4th)
Robertson - 0 ixGF/60 (19th), 6.32 give/60 (19th), 9.47 HF/60 (6th), -2 penalties (19th)

Both guys did little good, but one guy had 1 shot attempt, and led the team in giveaways and penalties, and played less than the guy that was safe with the puck and didn't take stupid penalties.
 
Of 207 forwards that played 10 5v5 mins in the first round Robertson was 203rd in turnovers/60, 207th in penalty differential/60 and was one of 3 forwards that didn't register a single xG (204th in iCF).

Of course he's going to sit.
 
leafman101 said:
Nah.

Round 1 5v5
McMann - 0.44 ixGF/60 (9th), 0 give/60 (t - 1st), 18.36 HF/60 (2nd), +2 penalties (4th)
Robertson - 0 ixGF/60 (19th), 6.32 give/60 (19th), 9.47 HF/60 (6th), -2 penalties (19th)

Both guys did little good, but one guy had 1 shot attempt, and led the team in giveaways and penalties, and played less than the guy that was safe with the puck and didn't take stupid penalties.
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Both guys did little good, just one was banished after 19 minutes of ice and the other never missed a shift.

My argument isn't that Robbie played well in his half cup of playoff coffee. He didn't. It's that other "reliable" players also played like shit but as usual, once you're considered "reliable" (whether you actually are or not), you're not longer held accountable for playing like shit, which McMann absofuckinglutely did.
 
At the end of the day, I think we both believe in Robby's talent. Its the fact that he is 23, has all the opportunity there for him, and is still making hockey 101 mistakes to take himself out of the lineup over and over again is just disappointing.

If all he did was not turn over pucks in the d/neutral zone, be first on the forecheck, go hard to the net and bust his ass without the puck, he'd be a top 6 winger just like guys with a fraction of his talent are.

But when you aren't scoring, and can't even get a shot, you have to help in other ways and not just hurt your team.
 
Eh, we actually don't agree on much here. We agree on his talent, but I very much disagree that it's his play keeping him out of the lineup and it's instead the perception of his play. He's not making more or worse than other guys in the bottom 6 in this series...I mean, they very thoroughly and very regularly got caved the fuck in against Ottawa...but he's the one who sits when he makes mistakes, no one else seems to when they make mistakes. If the Sens don't score on that PP in game 2, are we even talking about a random high sticking minor with a 2 goal lead as a "mistake"?

It's a tale as old as time in the NHL with small players.
 
McMann's size is nice but it's his speed that's even more important imo. I don't want him coming out of the lineup at all.
 
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