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OT: American Politics

MindzEye said:
. But breaking the back of entire generation with a choice between indebtedness with a hope of future financial solvency vs a choice of perpetual financial struggle is only going to end badly. Economic pragmatism has to win over dinner table financial morality.
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Meh. They can work through it. Buckle down. Stop wasting money on new cars and vacations. Pick up an extra job. The same things every other generation did. At some point if there’s freedom to do what you want to do you need to be responsible for the consequences of your actions. Suck it up buttercup.
 
cmon3 said:
Meh. They can work through it. Buckle down. Stop wasting money on new cars and vacations. Pick up an extra job. The same things every other generation did. At some point if there’s freedom to do what you want to do you need to be responsible for the consequences of your actions. Suck it up buttercup.
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Mate, you're either a troll or someone deeply deeply detached from the economic realities young people face today. This is almost as hilarious as blaming avocado toast.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
 
MindzEye said:
Do you have any evidence that this is actually true or are we just accepting your vibes as the reality?
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What kind of evidence do you need? Talking with teachers? Principals? I’ve not conducted studies. Our public education system is failing entirely too often. We’ve got a generation of people who can’t think, can barely read and have no morals.
 
cmon3 said:
What kind of evidence do you need?
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A meaningful definition of what "commitment" means and some sort of measure showing it declining would be fine.


cmon3 said:
We’ve got a generation of people who can’t think, can barely read and have no morals.
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Ahhh, how I've missed this little rant about the younger generations.

historyhustle.com

25 Quotes in 2,500 Years Proving We Always Blame the Younger Generation

This is not new.
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If any of it were ever true we would long be extinct as a species. The truth is usually the opposite. The following generations usually end up better than the previous. Except for the boomers probably.
 
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MindzEye said:
Mate, you're either a troll or someone deeply deeply detached from the economic realities young people face today. This is almost as hilarious as blaming avocado toast.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
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I’m very in touch of the economic realities young people face. I’m just not on the left so my go to position isn’t oh the poor things. It’s not their fault the government should help.

If you think they need help why don’t you start a non profit to collect money and pay off their loans. Mindsets has lotsa money it sounds like. I’d hit him up first.

At some point it IS about avo toast. As long as the attitude is poor me, the hole is too big for me to dig out of it is. Once they decide to dig out they’ll see they can do it but they can’t keep spending money on luxuries they can’t afford. Coffee and avo toast at home sure fine. Coffee and Avo toast out every morning is how much per year? It’s not nothing. Neither is Netflix etc.

As long as the left keeps on feeling sorry for them with other people’s money and telling them it’s not their fault because they’re victims why would they ever try?
 
cmon3 said:
I’m very in touch of the economic realities young people face. I’m just not on the left so my go to position isn’t oh the poor things. It’s not their fault the government should help.
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If you're in touch with it, and realize how much easier you had it in comparison then you're just a fucking ladder puller. You got yours, why should you invest in future generations enjoying the benefits of life you had available to you (that previous generations paid into for you).

cmon3 said:
At some point it IS about avo toast.
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Not if they can't afford avocados it isn't.

cmon3 said:
Once they decide to dig out they’ll see they can do it but they can’t keep spending money on luxuries they can’t afford. Coffee and avo toast at home sure fine. Coffee and Avo toast out every morning is how much per year? It’s not nothing. Neither is Netflix etc.
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Just for clarity, you think that the solution to 100K for a BA, 2000 dollar rent, etc. etc is the 15 dollar a month Netflix and avocado toast? You're for real about this? You further believe that the generations who created this problem bare no responsibility to providing society level solutions for it? It's all about the next generations learning to do more with less....because your generation looted the place? The generations pulling up the ladder staring down at the kids on the ground and complaining that they're not learning how to climb faster. Fucking bonkers.
 
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MindzEye said:
A meaningful definition of what "commitment" means and some sort of measure showing it declining would be fine.




Ahhh, how I've missed this little rant about preceeding generations.

historyhustle.com

25 Quotes in 2,500 Years Proving We Always Blame the Younger Generation

This is not new.
historyhustle.com historyhustle.com

If any of it were ever true we would long be extinct as a species. The truth is usually the opposite. The following generations usually end up better than the previous. Except for the boomers probably.
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The boomers were the beginning of the problem.

But what’s the point of arguing with you. You’ve made up your mind that the government is the solution everything. We’ll have to disagree on that.

I think the solutions to our problems are in the direction of personal responsibility, an objective morality, the value of the individual, and a shared melting pot of a culture. I think the constitution would work. I think that both parties and all of the candidates are a total disaster.
 
To problems the government created, it is also indeed the solution to.


cmon3 said:
But what’s the point of arguing with you.
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There honestly isn't a point to it for you. I've met too many like you in my life that honestly don't see where the work and sacrifice of other played huge parts in their success that they later attribute to themselves, their hard work and their superior morality. Once they've received the benefits from that shared investment society put into them, they don't see why others should have similar benefit. The boot straps meme made living and breathing.
 
Has the subject of housing even come up? Ah, I see Mindz just brought it up. Seems obvious that if you have to pay $1500-$2000 for a place to live (and that's not buying a house, that's just the fucking rent) it's kind of hard to pay $500-$1000 for a loan on top of every other bill you've got. Even if you DO have a good paying job. Sure people can walk everywhere, eat a slice of bread for supper, and live under the bridge, but maybe there are better solutions to a massive societal problem than that?

I mean I do understand the argument that it's a lot of money for the government to take on, and certainly a worthy discussion to find the best solution that would require many different things to be done in tandem. But I don't see a rational argument here. All I see is someone who seems to hate and devalue education with a passion, and kind of zero fucks given for young people too.
 
MindzEye said:
If you're in touch with it, and realize how much easier you had it in comparison then you're just a fucking ladder puller. You got yours, why should you invest in future generations enjoying the benefits of life you have available to you (that previous generations paid into for you).



Not if they can't afford avocados it isn't.



Just for clarity, you think that the solution to 100K for a BA, 2000 dollar rent, etc. etc is the 15 dollar a month Netflix and avocado toast? You're for real about this? You further believe that the generations who created this problem bare no responsibility to providing society level solutions for it? It's all about the next generations learning to do more with less....because your generation looted the place? The generations pulling up the ladder staring down at the kids on the ground and complaining that they're not learning how to climb faster. Fucking bonkers.
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I think the generation of permissive parents babying their kids and demanding no discipline just do whatever you want. Has made a mess of things.

The truth to the avo toast is about the mentality. Coffee and breakfast out. Lunch out. Dinner out. Vape pens. Netflix, the latest cell phones, new cars, new clothes, all those luxuries do add up. Until you decide it’s up to you to make it happen you’ll keep choosing immediate gratification. Once you start putting that money towards your future you’ll find that it adds up.
 
cmon3 said:
I think the generation of permissive parents babying their kids and demanding no discipline just do whatever you want. Has made a mess of things.

The truth to the avo toast is about the mentality. Coffee and breakfast out. Lunch out. Dinner out. Vape pens. Netflix, the latest cell phones, new cars, new clothes, all those luxuries do add up. Until you decide it’s up to you to make it happen you’ll keep choosing immediate gratification. Once you start putting that money towards your future you’ll find that it adds up.
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So you're out of touch with the financial realities the kids are in these days. Cool, why didn't you just say that the first time I asked?
 
It's definitely a good idea not to smoke. But if you ever do get addicted to nicotine, vaping costs like 1/3 the price of cigarettes, so that would be a pretty wise financial decision.
 
axlsalinger said:
It's definitely a good idea not to smoke. But if you ever do get addicted to nicotine, vaping costs like 1/3 the price of cigarettes, so that would be a pretty wise financial decision.
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Doing smarter things is obviously better than doing dumber things. Where I'm sick of it is previous generations claiming that the problem with the current generation is "insert totally fucking benign thing that isn't as dumb as the version of it that person's generation did with zero problem because you could buy a house on 5 years of salary". The kids are both blamed for the decline of every bullshit industry they don't spend money on and blamed for every penny they spend doing the same shit all of us got to do when we were that age. The point of this whole fucking thing is to try to leave the kids a better world than the one we inherited, but that sounds injurious to shareholder value or something so fuck'em.
 
axlsalinger said:
I mean I do understand the argument that it's a lot of money for the government to take on, and certainly a worthy discussion to find the best solution that would require many different things to be done in tandem. But I don't see a rational argument here. All I see is someone who seems to hate and devalue education with a passion, and kind of zero fucks given for young people too.
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A lot of ridiculous stereotyping and generalizations too.

Anyway, there’s no question post-secondary has been transformed into a unprecedented financial burden transferred to the young. They are being judged on circumstances that didn’t exist in the past, and have largely been foisted on them by the olds.

I’m hesitant to forgive debts in general because there are equity considerations and moral hazard issues (economic, not ethical), but maybe this circumstance is different. I have serious questions about why this debt is being accrued in the first place and the role of policy in lowering education costs.
 
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