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OT: American Politics

axlsalinger said:

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It's funny, the US is the stronger of the two economies, and of the two economies the one that is least reliant on the other. On paper it appears the US would be in a strong position to win a trade dispute with China. But there's a bagload of problems here.

- The US usually wins using the power of friendship, and it's also in a fight with it's former friends at the moment
- China owns a bag of US treasuries to use as a cudgel if necessary
- Probably most importantly and most overlooked imo is that even though Trump is trying to act like a unitary autocrat with Xi's relative power over the country, he's not. Xi's level of pain is whatever the willingness of the Chinese people is to put up with financial hardship. Whatever that level is, Xi can push them to and he has a propaganda system with penetration the Murdochs only fucking wish that they had, to pump the CCP's message to. Trump just doesn't have that. Trump has maybe 1/3rd that level of influence over the American public despite his current control over the levers of the US economy. ~10 republicans being forced into changing their minds by significant enough public action brings this whole thing to a grinding halt. There is no such mechanism in China.
 
MindzEye said:
It's funny, the US is the stronger of the two economies, and of the two economies the one that is least reliant on the other. On paper it appears the US would be in a strong position to win a trade dispute with China. But there's a bagload of problems here.

- The US usually wins using the power of friendship, and it's also in a fight with it's former friends at the moment
- China owns a bag of US treasuries to use as a cudgel if necessary
- Probably most importantly and most overlooked imo is that even though Trump is trying to act like a unitary autocrat with Xi's relative power over the country, he's not. Xi's level of pain is whatever the willingness of the Chinese people is to put up with financial hardship. Whatever that level is, Xi can push them to and he has a propaganda system with penetration the Murdochs only fucking wish that they had, to pump the CCP's message to. Trump just doesn't have that. Trump has maybe 1/3rd that level of influence over the American public despite his current control over the levers of the US economy. ~10 republicans being forced into changing their minds by significant enough public action brings this whole thing to a grinding halt. There is no such mechanism in China.
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He doesn't even have to use the various means of propaganda to stoke the flames of nationalism in his country. All he has to do is point at Donald & the rest of the clown convoy in the US.
 
MindzEye said:
It's funny, the US is the stronger of the two economies, and of the two economies the one that is least reliant on the other. On paper it appears the US would be in a strong position to win a trade dispute with China. But there's a bagload of problems here.

- The US usually wins using the power of friendship, and it's also in a fight with it's former friends at the moment
- China owns a bag of US treasuries to use as a cudgel if necessary
- Probably most importantly and most overlooked imo is that even though Trump is trying to act like a unitary autocrat with Xi's relative power over the country, he's not. Xi's level of pain is whatever the willingness of the Chinese people is to put up with financial hardship. Whatever that level is, Xi can push them to and he has a propaganda system with penetration the Murdochs only fucking wish that they had, to pump the CCP's message to. Trump just doesn't have that. Trump has maybe 1/3rd that level of influence over the American public despite his current control over the levers of the US economy. ~10 republicans being forced into changing their minds by significant enough public action brings this whole thing to a grinding halt. There is no such mechanism in China.
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Yeah, China is obviously not going to be the one to give in here. Chinese people are used to being impoverished, and they’re not going to overthrow the government because the US is buying fewer Chinese goods.

Meanwhile Americans are decadent and soft and stupid and will revolt when their novelty t-shirts and cheap kitchen goods triple in price. They’re not smart enough to revolt against the right causes but they’ll revolt all the same.

And while China is in a trade war with the world’s biggest economy, which is no joke for them, the US has decided to fight a 160-front trade war against the whole world.

They’re fucked.
 
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