OT: American Politics

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

cameron diaz is on my all-time overrated team.

and how someone compares me calling a NON-poster, a NON-participant in this forum, "hopeychange", to cracking on a guy on THIS forum, a part of THIS community, for having a friend with cancer, is beyond me. it isn't even in the same universe.

told you, no matter what someone would claim you wrote, you would say it wasn't the same

BTW, your friend is a non participant, no crack was made on him, just that you were likely full of it for bringing it up

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

i can say they aren't the same because they aren't. as any person with a brain, morals, and a conscience would be able to tell you if they were being honest.

and the crack was made on ME, not on my cancer-stricken friend. he was accusing ME of lying about it to try to generate sympathy, which was a disgraceful thing to suggest.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

i can say they aren't the same because they aren't. as any person with a brain, morals, and a conscience would be able to tell you if they were being honest.

Again, you're missing the point.

People have lied on this and other forums about serious issues many times before in the past.

 

[Habsy]

Cameron Diaz is the highest grossing actress of all time. She may be out there but she's pulled in more money than any other chick, yes even Julia Roberts.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

She hasn't aged well though.

I am jealous of Habsy though being in Florida with all those hot latinas.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

What are you talking about?

I will reiterate a previous post of mine in this thread that explained how this worked.

Evan Longoria (white Hispanic):

Vladimir Guerrerro (black Hispanic):

Hispanic simply refers to any member of a Spanish speaking language or cultural community. It is not limited by race, gender, religious, or political affiliation. Which is largely why the U.S. Census Bureau accounts for white and non-white Hispanic in its demographic records.

ok, but my point is, what's YOUR point? why is it relevant to call him a "white" hispanic? does it make him less hispanic? does being a "white" black guy make hopeychange less black? if he's a "white" hispanic does that mean he's much more likely to be a racist than a "black" hispanic?

does it play better with more of your democrat voters if he's painted as more WHITE than hispanic while he's being demonized?

 

[JaysCyYoung]

does being a "white" black guy make hopeychange less black?

Obama is not a "white" black guy.

He's a bi-racial American of African and European descent.

if he's a "white" hispanic does that mean he's much more likely to be a racist than a "black" hispanic?

You made the implication that him being Hispanic of any sort makes him less likely to be racist (ostensibly under the impression that minorities cannot be racist).

I simply stated he was a white Hispanic.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

Cameron Diaz is the highest grossing actress of all time. She may be out there but she's pulled in more money than any other chick, yes even Julia Roberts.

i think she needs to be massively airbrushed in anything she does. apparently her complexion is pretty brutal.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

Obama is not a "white" black guy.

He's a bi-racial American of African and European descent.

well, so are many "white" hispanic guys. they are often bi-racial americans of european and south amerian descent. again, what's your point? do you like putting all these stupid racial labels on people to suit your political purposes?

 

[worm]

Cameron Diaz is the highest grossing actress of all time. She may be out there but she's pulled in more money than any other chick, yes even Julia Roberts.

for what?

 

[JaysCyYoung]

well, so are many "white" hispanic guys. they are often bi-racial americans of european and south amerian descent. again, what's your point? do you like putting all these stupid racial labels on people to suit your political purposes?

Well no, those are not white Hispanics. Those would be Mestizo Hispanics.

do you like putting all these stupid racial labels on people to suit your political purposes?

 

[anne25]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I mean...even Anne could just have easily linked one of the posts Wolfie and I put together and continued the legitimate political discussion that was going on. I don't see a functional difference in creating a train wreck in the thread, and doing nothing but complaining about the asthetics of the train wreck. They both provide the same value imo.

Huh. I don't remember seeing anything, but then I hadn't been reading much here for a couple of day. When I came back all I saw was two or three pages of name calling. I guess I didn't go back far enough.

 

[anne25]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

It's just conjecture on my part. Four-five years is an eternity in politics to say the least

He could obviously change his mind by that period in time or Canadians could get tired of having the same Prime Minister in power by that point, which might see the Conservatives experience similar factional difficulties to those that the Liberals went through in the Chretien to Martin hand-over.

I am basically a conservative, but I usually prefer a change in government ever 10-12 years. As long as it is the Liberals and not the NDP. Probably because there has never been a whole lot of difference, just minor variances, between the Liberals and Conservatives. That of course could change if the Liberals decide to move further to the left to prevent the NDP from permenatly upstaging them.

 

[MindzEye]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Huh. I don't remember seeing anything, but then I hadn't been reading much here for a couple of day. When I came back all I saw was two or three pages of name calling. I guess I didn't go back far enough.

Rubbernecking

This is now twice that self identified conservatives have said the same thing, had ample time to go another page back, look at the actual economic argument...but have yet to put forward an argument or comment.

Weird.

 

[lecoqsportif]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Jayz, your MILF is in political caca. NDP is waaaay up in the polls. She should go federal with Harpo, instant cabinet job.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Last poll I saw had the Dippers leading 43 to 23 and the BC Libs tied with the new Tory party there.

Brutal if true.

 

[Wayward DP]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Last poll I saw had the Dippers leading 43 to 23 and the BC Libs tied with the new Tory party there.

Brutal if true.

Yeah I saw that too. Libs seem to be hurting nation-wide. Makes Dalton's victory a bit more impressive to me.

And to tag on to what Mindz has brought up...I myself am pretty liberal in a lot of ways, however, I don't have huge problems with conservatives who are actually fiscally conservative. I may disagree with a number of their guiding principles and ideologies, but I can respect them sticking to those principles.

When self-professed fiscal conservatives spend like Liberals, but cut taxes and decrease revenues like Conservatives, that's when I start to have big problems. If you're going to cut the GST and then go on a spending spree and increase the size of government... well that's not exactly great fiscal management.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Last poll I saw had the Dippers leading 43 to 23 and the BC Libs tied with the new Tory party there.

Brutal if true.

typical for CDN politics, one side splits vote amongst more than one party allowing others to get in,

Liberals won three straight federal majorities that way, now Harper has won three straight elections that way

BTW Coq, Christy is a federal Liberal, not a Harperite. She is divorced thought with a young son. When she became premier, a reporter asked her now that she is premier, when will she have time to date.

 

[HabsAddict]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

When self-professed fiscal conservatives spend like Liberals, but cut taxes and decrease revenues like Conservatives, that's when I start to have big problems. If you're going to cut the GST and then go on a spending spree and increase the size of government... well that's not exactly great fiscal management.

What Harper political smarts was go to he centre to pick up votes while pulling behind him the "no-choice but to vote conservative" vote. To a fiscal conservatives and small government advocate, Harper SUCKS. In this budget, he did the bare minimum as to not to annoy his base.

Some think that the Liberal should go to the left to get votes. In my opinion, that is the wrong direction. The Liberals need to go back to the center with jobs, oil sand development and fiscal restraint. The will strip some of the conservative vote while losing very little to the NDP.

 

[UWHabs]

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

What Harper political smarts was go to he centre to pick up votes while pulling behind him the "no-choice but to vote conservative" vote. To a fiscal conservatives and small government advocate, Harper SUCKS. In this budget, he did the bare minimum as to not to annoy his base.

Some think that the Liberal should go to the left to get votes. In my opinion, that is the wrong direction. The Liberals need to go back to the center with jobs, oil sand development and fiscal restraint. The will strip some of the conservative vote while losing very little to the NDP.

One of the rare times I agree with you. If the Libs go/stay left, then they're stuck with splitting ~55-60% of the vote with the NDP/Greens. Sure, that worked well when that split was 40/20, but as it is now, best case for the Liberals if they stay NDP-lite is splitting down the middle, and seeing a 40/30/30 Con/Lib/NDP. Best strategy would be to move back to the middle, try to pick up more of the Blue Liberal/Red Tory votes, and really make the Conservatives try for those votes.