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OT: American Politics

zeke said:
Which question?

Either it was trump and gas (like everyone reported at the time), or barr and smoke (their story 24hrs later).

Is one any better than the other?
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Yes

Smoke > tear gas


What you fail to represent is that telling the police to move a crowd is not telling them HOW to move the crowd. Excessive force is on the police.
 
why would the Trump administration and an anonymous source be as, never mind more, reputable than the people that were there? It just doesn’t add up. Use the reliable sources.
 
Because tear gas may have been used in close proximity, it may have been in defense of the officers or it may have been done because of fear, excessive force etc.

In a situation like that you do not have all the facts, no matter what zeke or HL may claim they know for certain.
 
Habsy said:
Because tear gas may have been used in close proximity, it may have been in defense of the officers or it may have been done because of fear, excessive force etc.
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Tear gas is outlawed internationally and is a chemical weapon. It's not the tiddly winks the media portrays. I can post piles of videos of police, completely unprovoked, spraying it right in the face of protesters.
 
Habsy said:
Yes

Smoke > tear gas

What you fail to represent is that telling the police to move a crowd is not telling them HOW to move the crowd. Excessive force is on the police.
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OK only smoke bombs on Americans. Phew.

And yes I'm sure trump was very angry at the cops for using excessive force.
 
The cops in Lafayette Park were given an order to clear the path to St. Johns. or maybe to clear the "park" the reality is this difference would only matter to the pedantic.. They used the tools they had at hand. Apparently smoke and pepper balls and flashbangs and batons and shield to do this.
So really the only question is did they respond to the ORDER or to violence... I suspect the order I can't "prove" that but Lets say there was a water bottle thrown. does that excuse the retaliation? This isn't the looters that hit New York AFAICT I have yet to see any looting (Or reports there of) from this group of protesters in the hours leading up to this. Also there are no reports of violence... (Except the Park police at 6:45) Makes the timing suspicious...
 
You do realize I was educated a good 20 years at least before most of you right? Different generations speak differently. Of course everything is offensive today. Like OMG male and female genders and pronouns? The humanity!
 
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