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OT: American Politics

zeke said:
Literally from the same people who have made the USA the most incarcerated country in the world, and criminalize weed, abortion, and gay sex.

And beleafer doesn't even realize who his sources are.
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It’s almost like he might be an idiot. He’s also not smart enough to realize that most of the replies are in jest.

But on a more serious note, pogroms.
 
Volcanologist said:
seriously though how soft have we gotten that wearing a mask and getting inoculations are "fascism"??
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Yep. I say this all the time. Most people throughout history had to make sacrifices or face terrible hardships at some point in their lives, poverty, starvation, kids sent off to warzone meat grinders, towns getting bombed, secret police, violence, crime etc.

This generation is in a war against a virus, and is totally willing to do their part, but unfortunately wearing a piece of cloth on their face for 20 minutes while they go to the grocery store is just a bridge too far.

#SorrySheep #FirstTheyPolitelyAskedMeToWearAMaskAroundOtherPeopleThenTheyPutMeUnderHouseArrest
 
axlsalinger said:
Yep. I say this all the time. Most people throughout history had to make sacrifices or face terrible hardships at some point in their lives, poverty, starvation, kids sent off to warzone meat grinders, towns getting bombed, secret police, violence, crime etc.

This generation is in a war against a virus, and is totally willing to do their part, but unfortunately wearing a piece of cloth on their face for 20 minutes while they go to the grocery store is just a bridge too far.

#SorrySheep #FirstTheyPolitelyAskedMeToWearAMaskAroundOtherPeopleThenTheyPutMeUnderHouseArrest
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I wonder what the modern American faced with Ration cards would do... (I got my thoughts but none are good. _)
 
One of the things that we have to remember is that to people of BL's political leanings, liberals aren't left wing at all. The left wing according to actual leftists starts at an acceptance of the need for "the people" (or insert whatever term you prefer) owning/controlling the means of production. So while on most political spectrums (or whatever structure/scale you prefer), social ownership of industry/capital is a fairly extreme left wing ideal (with things like appropriate regulation, strong unions, progressive taxation, minimum/living wage laws, etc in between the extreme left and centrism), it's actually the starting point of leftism, according to leftists. Their scale then progresses further left from that and they generally think that we're the ones arguing around the margins as our ideals start with some form of capitalism at the root.

So he absolutely thinks that liberals are bed fellows with fascists, because actual leftists don't see a whole lot of difference between something like social democracy and nazi germany sans the holocaust. The nationalism and militarism isn't the problem (quite they opposite, leftists are pretty fucking fond of both), it's the capitalism.

It's batshit, but it's what leftists actually believe.
 
MindzEye said:
One of the things that we have to remember is that to people of BL's political leanings, liberals aren't left wing at all. The left wing according to actual leftists starts at an acceptance of the need for "the people" (or insert whatever term you prefer) owning/controlling the means of production. So while on most political spectrums (or whatever structure/scale you prefer), social ownership of industry/capital is a fairly extreme left wing ideal (with things like appropriate regulation, strong unions, progressive taxation, minimum/living wage laws, etc in between the extreme left and centrism), it's actually the starting point of leftism, according to leftists. Their scale then progresses further left from that and they generally think that we're the ones arguing around the margins as our ideals start with some form of capitalism at the root.

So he absolutely thinks that liberals are bed fellows with fascists, because actual leftists don't see a whole lot of difference between something like social democracy and nazi germany sans the holocaust. The nationalism and militarism isn't the problem (quite they opposite, leftists are pretty fucking fond of both), it's the capitalism.

It's batshit, but it's what leftists actually believe.
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Yup, and just another example of how the political spectrum isn't a straight line, it's a circle. As you go farther and farther to either side, it circles around until they're basically the same thing.

This idea that they can make the United States (a center-right country that keeps moving further to the right) go full communist when they can't even make this work in any other country, is legitimately trumpshit crazy.
 
MindzEye said:
One of the things that we have to remember is that to people of BL's political leanings, liberals aren't left wing at all. The left wing according to actual leftists starts at an acceptance of the need for "the people" (or insert whatever term you prefer) owning/controlling the means of production. So while on most political spectrums (or whatever structure/scale you prefer), social ownership of industry/capital is a fairly extreme left wing ideal (with things like appropriate regulation, strong unions, progressive taxation, minimum/living wage laws, etc in between the extreme left and centrism), it's actually the starting point of leftism, according to leftists. Their scale then progresses further left from that and they generally think that we're the ones arguing around the margins as our ideals start with some form of capitalism at the root.

So he absolutely thinks that liberals are bed fellows with fascists, because actual leftists don't see a whole lot of difference between something like social democracy and nazi germany sans the holocaust. The nationalism and militarism isn't the problem (quite they opposite, leftists are pretty fucking fond of both), it's the capitalism.

It's batshit, but it's what leftists actually believe.
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Liberals are also worse baddies than the Conservatives to this crowd because Liberals prop up the capitalist system by legitimizing it through their support for it and participation in it. And by re-directing left wing revolutionary energy towards fighting for incremental improvements to the system.

The micro scale of this is gradual quality-of-life improvements for the working class. But on the macro scale, it just delays the inevitable general strike, glorious revolution and Marxist utopia that’d surely come about if the reactionary conservatives were allowed to go full-bore capitalist without any restraints imposed on them by Liberals.
 
axlsalinger said:
Do these people look at Sweden and all the other countries at the top of Best Places to Live lists and think, "hmm, not bad. If only they could be more like Venezuela and North Korea!!"
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Tucker Carlson did it with Hungary. He did a several day stint there on his show, pining wistfully for Orban's crackdowns on gays and the press, and his dreamy 20 foot razor wire fences at all the borders.
 
The biggest thing is these guys all still think theyre getting underground non-mainstream information that the suckers don't see but because they don't watch Fox they don't realize that everything they are getting and repeating is blasted out non-stop on the biggest corporate media operation in the world.
 
zeke said:
The biggest thing is these guys all still think theyre getting underground non-mainstream information that the suckers don't see but because they don't watch Fox they don't realize that everything they are getting and repeating is blasted out non-stop on the biggest corporate media operation in the world.
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There's a certain irony in only needed to scream "censorship" to get yourself airtime on the biggest news agency and biggest podcast in the country.
 
I just love how BeLeafer is going to ignore all these points, and if pressed to provide us one example where his "plan" has actually worked, ever, in human history, he may try to cite Russia (dictatorship) or China (dictatorship).

while crying about having to wear a mask to the post office is fascism, what did China do when they desperately needed to stop the spread? They welded the front doors of apartment buildings shut so nobody could get out. (ie. #Freedom!)
 
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