OT: American Politics

[MindzEye]

Heh. Hilarious.

Priceless, so ****ing priceless.

 

[zeke]

Zeke's begala style spinning aside, new documents have been released today about Benghazi and they are pretty damning as to what the administration knew and to what Amb. Stevens was requesting for almost two months.

Imo Obama is making a big mistake not going back to Washington to do a presidential address on this. He could take some air out of it. If he doesn't the speculation alone will be damning come Monday.

There's a decent spin on this, and that's that every embassy is always asking for more help.......and yet the GOP continually urges cuts to the state department.

 

[CH1]

The fight for all important Ohio is fascinating.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/18/koch-backed-activists-americans-for-prosperity

Koch-backed activists use power of data in bid to oust Obama from White House


AFP's (Americans For Prosperity) growing influence is highly visible in Ohio, one of the most crucial battleground states upon which November's outcome depends. It now has 80 paid staff operating in the state out of seven permanent offices.

Volunteers are empowered with mobile canvassing technology that directs them to the households that are most likely to be influenced by AFP's message of small government and tax cuts through software built on to handheld tablet computers. They are also equipped with the latest phone banking technology through which they have made 400,000 calls to Ohio's voters since May.

The database draws information on voters from a range of public and commercial sources to create a profile of their likely political behaviour. What you buy on Amazon; the magazines your subscribe to; your friends on Facebook; your age, neighbourhood, occupation and house value; what petitions you have signed; what church you belong to; whether or not you own a gun – all such data points and many more go towards the creation of your personal, albeit anonymous, voter file.

That, in turn, allows AFP activists to micro-target households with a level of precision that could only be dreamed about in previous generations. "This is an exponential leap forward for our side – with Themis as our crucial partner, we are able to leverage our dollars and refine our message," Phillips said.

 

[Habsy]

It's crumbling because the world is changing, and the States refuse to get with it. We're talking about a country that still won't use the metric system, even though basically the entire world has embraced the nice and simple base ten system.
It's crumbling because a two party system doesn't work...it's crumbling because it's citizens are getting fat and lazy(if you create a drive-through system for voters watch your turnout increase).
It's crumbling because you are fighting wars that cost money and don't make you any.

And to be clear, I didn't mean WE are arguing semantics(even if we are) , I meant the politicians and your people are obsessing over semantics, instead of looking at how to fix the mess you're in.

Benghazi is not semantics. It is a far bigger deal than the deems, and people here, are trying to portray.

The administration lied, often. I do not expect Clinton to survive this. Being at the top of the administration, the blowback will fall on Obama.

 

[Habsy]

There's a decent spin on this, and that's that every embassy is always asking for more help.......and yet the GOP continually urges cuts to the state department.

Watch CNN, the letters from Stevens are far more dire than requests.
Go ahead and slough off Benghazi like Obama is trying to do. Keep thinking it isn't a major issue here.

 

[Habsy]

Rasmussen tracking moved 1pt towards Obama today, as did Gallup's. One more tracking poll (IBD/TIPP) left to come in today.

You forgot to mention rassmussen has Romney gaining in NC, Fla, Va, Iowa, Nv, Wis, and Nh

Has him same in ohio

 

[zeke]

Romneys ahead in most tossup states except all important Ohio

Not true.

RCP has 201 electoral votes "safe" for Obama, 206 electoral votes "safe" for Romney, and here's how the toss-up states break down:

MC (16): Obama +5.0
PN (20): Obama +5.0
NV (6): Obama +3.0
WI (10): Obama +2.8
OH (18): Obama +2.4
IO (6): Obama +2.4
VA (13): Tie
COL (9): Romney +0.2
NH (4): Romney +1.0
FL (29): Romney +2.6

 

[zeke]

Watch CNN, the letters from Stevens are far more dire than requests.
Go ahead and slough off Benghazi like Obama is trying to do. Keep thinking it isn't a major issue here.

I never said it wasn't a major issue. It's THE major issue at this point. How each side deals with is likely the deciding point in this election.

Obama took a nice step forward on that front in the last debate, where before he was getting killed on it. We'll see what happens between now and the next debate.

 

[Habsy]

Look up these new docs zeke. While it doesn't mean Obama knew it does mean the state department really ****ed up worse than previous thought. It does also show high probability that the WH knew at some level.

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

Benghazi is not semantics.

I disagree;
I can even understand thinking it had something to do with that video...are you going to say you couldn't? I don't think we can appreciate what a shit-show things are over there...I don't expect 100% knowledge a day after the fact...how can anybody expect that over there?
To me, your country needs to get it's economy on track, this issue has nothing to do with that. Well, maybe not nothing...since the U.S's involvement in the affairs of other countries is a key issue.

I can understand the right's idea that Obama wanted to look like he had wiped out Al-Queda; I said I understand it, but I don't agree.
What happens when you corner an animal, trapped it? It tends to fight back. I don't believe Americans believed Al-Queda is finished, but it's hurting.

 

[Habsy]

Not true.

RCP has 201 electoral votes "safe" for Obama, 206 electoral votes "safe" for Romney, and here's how the toss-up states break down:

MC (16): Obama +5.0
PN (20): Obama +5.0
NV (6): Obama +3.0
WI (10): Obama +2.8
OH (18): Obama +2.4
IO (6): Obama +2.4
VA (13): Tie
COL (9): Romney +0.2
NH (4): Romney +1.0
FL (29): Romney +2.6

Rassmussens most recent polls show different

 

[Habsy]

I disagree;
I can even understand thinking it had something to do with that video...are you going to say you couldn't? I don't think we can appreciate what a shit-show things are over there...I don't expect 100% knowledge a day after the fact...how can anybody expect that over there?
To me, your country needs to get it's economy on track, this issue has nothing to do with that. Well, maybe not nothing...since the U.S's involvement in the affairs of other countries is a key issue.

I can understand the right's idea that Obama wanted to look like he had wiped out Al-Queda; I said I understand it, but I don't agree.
What happens when you corner an animal, trapped it? It tends to fight back. I don't believe Americans believed Al-Queda is finished, but it's hurting.

Americans take American death seriously. I've heard numerous people talking about Benghazi in my restaurant today. Most want answers.

 

[Habsy]

Also it's really a hot topic here, the next debate is two miles from my restaurant

 

[Leafovic]

They take American death so seriously that they are willing to elect a man who seems like he wants to go to war with Iran and essentially create another Iraq situation.

Americans take American death seriously. I've heard numerous people talking about Benghazi in my restaurant today. Most want answers.

 

[zeke]

Not true.

RCP has 201 electoral votes "safe" for Obama, 206 electoral votes "safe" for Romney, and here's how the toss-up states break down:

MC (16): Obama +5.0
PN (20): Obama +5.0
NV (6): Obama +3.0
WI (10): Obama +2.8
OH (18): Obama +2.4
IO (6): Obama +2.4
VA (13): Tie
COL (9): Romney +0.2
NH (4): Romney +1.0
FL (29): Romney +2.6

Rasmussen's latest:

MC (16): Obama +7.0
PN (20): Obama +5.0
NV (6): Obama +3.0
WI (10): Obama +2.0
OH (18): Obama +1.0
IO (6): Obama +2.0
VA (13): Romney +3
COL (9): Obama +1
NH (4): Obama +1
FL (29): Romney +5

 

[Krustchev]

They take American death so seriously that they are willing to elect a man who seems like he wants to go to war with Iran and essentially create another Iraq situation.

Obama said that he won't let Iran have nukes either. What do you think he will do if sanctions fail?

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

Habsy.
I'm not saying it isn't a hot topic, just that it shouldn't be. The economy, and what's going to happen tax-wise should be what people are focussed on.

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

I want to digress for a moment and ask the righties a question;

Let's say Obama get's elected and right away we start hearing again about how the Republican party is going to fight him at every turn like they did the minute he was first elected...would you feel good about that, or would you consider the GOP to be in error?

 

[Leafovic]

Based on the rhetoric, it sometimes seems Romney would be ready to attack Iran today and maybe even put troops on the ground. It is unclear because he actually never gets into specifics. My hunch on the other hand is his policy is no different than Obama's and that they hold the exact same view and would handle each step exactly the same.

So based on this rhetoric I don't why Americans would not be alarmed at this war-mongering.

Obama said that he won't let Iran have nukes either. What do you think he will do if sanctions fail?

 

[zeke]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158237/o...oogle&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

Americans who report watching the second presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney believe Obama did a better job, by 51% to 38%. That is a sharp reversal from the first debate for which Romney was widely regarded as the winner.

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Three-fourths of Americans (76%) in an Oct. 17-18 Gallup poll say they watched the debate, higher than the 66% who told Gallup in an Oct. 4-5 poll that they watched the first presidential debate on Oct. 3.

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Romney's victory in the first debate was so decisive that even a plurality of Democrats regarded him as the winner. That changed for the second debate, with Democrats overwhelmingly regarding Obama as the winner, 88% to 4%. Republicans show a similar propensity to favor their own party's nominee, naming Romney the winner, although by a slightly smaller margin, 78% to 9%. Independents give the edge to Obama, 54% to 33%.