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OT: American Politics

As a lawyer, albeit one whose practice has nothing to do with this subject, what you're saying sounds wrong, Habsy.

If they got a warrant to search the computer, they should be able to search it and whatever they find, they find. Just like if they got a warrant to search your house for drugs, but found a dead body. They can't investigate you for murder separately? Or when a cop pulls you over for speeding, but then sees an open bottle in the car in plain sight - he can't get you on a DUI? If the search itself is illegal, anything that comes out of it should be fruits of the poisonous tree, but if the search is legal, anything that comes out of it should be fair game.

And if the issue is that it was not Clinton's computer, but someone else's, that wouldn't seem to change the result. They search your computer because you're suspected of being a drug trafficker, and they find emails from Sensible bragging about his child porn stash. They can't get him for that?
 
Not for limited warrants. Do they not have that in Canada? If the warrant for Weiner's computer was for information directly pertaining to Weiner's case, anything else found would be inadmissible in a court of law without an expanded, or new, warrant. You can't go look for one thing on one person then come out and be able to use something on another. Doesn't work that way here. It can be argued as inadmissible, especially since the subject is the spouse of the top aid of a presidential candidate. Attorneys would argue anything found inadmissible and likely win.
 
More to your point, without the warrant they could use it to look for other evidence but they couldn't use what they found in court without an expanded warrant. US attorneys feel free to chime in but I believe a federal judge over conjecture.
 
I'm a US attorney. I have no idea how it works in Canada, and I have a very limited idea of how it works here because all I've got is my memory of constitutional law class from many years ago in law school and then the bar. But what you're saying sounds strange to me. If you get a warrant to search something, then anything you find there should be fair game. It doesn't even make sense the other way around. So you search Weiner's computer with a warrant, find Hillary's emails in the process, and then need to go get another warrant to allow you to use what you already found? There's both a logical and efficiency case to be made on this point.

Though again, I'm a corporate and entertainment lawyer, so I really can't base my view on anything other than classes over a decade ago.
 
It depends on the warrant obviously. Many warrants are issued with narrow rights of search and seizure. I have it on good authority that once they saw metadata on emails relating to the former HRC case they were required to get another warrant to actually read those emails. They already had a warrant for the Weiner investigation. What i was told was that when they received a warrant allowing them to view the content of emails between Abedin and Clinton, it signaled that an investigation was open. A couple of things to remember:

1) ownership of the computer was joint between Abedin and Weiner and only one was under investigation. The cellphone backups belonged to Abedin as did any emails between her and Clinton.

2) zeke mentioned the FBI source said there was no investigation on Hillary Clinton (I didn't actually see this but I'll take him for his word). It is possible the open investigation is not on Hillary but on the Clinton foundation or even Huma Abedin.
 
I don't know. Again, it's like if they get a warrant to search your house for illegal weapons, and while in there they find a letter from Hillary to your wife telling her she wants her to ship those weapons to a safehouse in NY so that she can then transport them all illegally to Iran. They can't use this letter against Hillary? They have to get a "search" warrant to use something they already found legally? It makes no sense to me.

(Obviously I'm using real world examples here, by the way.)

I don't know all the facts on the Weiner/Clinton story, but just based on this conversation here, positing my two cents.
 
Lol. Chris Christie cancels all his events after the bridgegate convictions. Lock him up.

and the US military has had enough of russia....

Bradd Jaffy
@BraddJaffy
NBC News: U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecom networks & Kremlin's command systems nbcnews.to/2f2OdA7
 
zeke said:
and the US military has had enough of russia....

Bradd Jaffy
@BraddJaffy
NBC News: U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecom networks & Kremlin's command systems nbcnews.to/2f2OdA7
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That's awesome if true.
 
zeke said:
Lol. Chris Christie cancels all his events after the bridgegate convictions. Lock him up.

and the US military has had enough of russia....

Bradd Jaffy
@BraddJaffy
NBC News: U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecom networks & Kremlin's command systems nbcnews.to/2f2OdA7
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Cripple the ****ers.
 
Just poison Putin's vodka. We've had enough of that cheesy B movie villain.
 
Habsy said:
This surprises you? If it does you neither read him regularly or see him on tv regularly. The man was clearly #nevertrump early on. Not that I blame him.
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Where did you gather that I was surprised?......despite being anti-Trump, until today he hadn't endorsed Clinton. Hence making it news worthy.

As someone who is anti-Trump yourself, yet didn't vote for Clinton...you'd think you'd know the distinction better than anyone.
 
axlsalinger said:
You're suggesting only 1% of Russia has electricity or access to a phone?
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No I'm suggesting that 99% of them are already using hacked services.

*To further clarify, it may seem like a big deal that the US has hacked the power grid and telecommunications services, but it was probably only slightly more difficult than driving a car into an airplane hanger with the door wide open.
 
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