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OT: American Politics

DelivererOfTruth said:
Russia has absolutely nothing to do with illuminati-owned central banks, hence the sanctions on russia.

This will help you understand things deeper and it will break it down for you. And will give you a clearer indication of what's Really going on. Everything else you believe is just semantics and illuminati-controlled mainstream media propaganda with the oldest trick in the book of "demonization" of a person, and it's shocking how you allow yourself to be so easily deceived.

[video=youtube;r0FMqNERhxk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0FMqNERhxk&feature=youtu.be&t=9m46s[/video]
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Hillary famously reset relations with russia. there were no sanctions, no war.

then russia invaded ukraine, and were sanctioned for it.
 
There is no thing as free speech. But one thing you don't have is the infinite truths within me.

I provide Truth in response in regards to Russia, with Putin himself, and just like CNN you hate truth and censor me. Demonizing me for absolutely no reason just like you demonize Putin by following the lies of the media, and mostly yourself.

It's ok. The whole world will know it soon .. As the entire Universe already knows.

Hitlery Clinton and her cronies are going down hard

[video=youtube;0-XzcWuEOAw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-XzcWuEOAw[/video]
 
zeke said:
but which meme do we believe?

this one says only 3 left, not 9?

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And America has recently ended sanctions against 2 of those 3. So this meme makes even less sense now.

But yeah, clearly the issue between USA and North Korea is their lack of a rothschilds central bank.

good call.
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I know we have had our philosophical and personal differences here occasionally in the past, but I do have to commend you for doing an admirable job at addressing the crazies.

You employ the Socratic Method to a tee in deconstructing their arguments with a patience not seen very often online. It's refreshing and entertaining at the same time, so cheers for that.
 
zeke said:
then russia invaded ukraine, and were sanctioned for it.
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That is total nonsense. The CIA implemented the puppet government in Ukraine that started the entire thing. Everyone on the inside knows this. But did you expect the mainstream media to tell you the truth, the same mainstream media that has been lying to you about Every-thing your entire life.

Hillary Clinton wants to greatly censor the internet, and then take it away from you altogether. She also wants to ban all alternative media. So humans are more brainwashed than they already are. She stated this many times during her Agenda 21 speeches. I told everyone here what Agenda 21 is years ago, did you even bother to research it? It is astounding that you can't bother to listen what Hillary clinton actually SAYS, but instead follow the countless lies of the mainstream media - which are BY FAR the least credible sources for true information in the entire Universe (and that is not an exaggeration, that is Literally).

Here is what Donald Trump said in a recent speech at a rally:

"They are trying to tell you that it was Russian cyber-attacks that exposed the emails, when it was patriots inside our own government that exposed the emails because they are sick and tired of the Clinton crime family. They are telling you it's a bad thing to be friends with Russia, I say I want to be friends with Russia. What is wrong with being friends with Russia? Just look what has happened to this country! It's all a sham, and the mainstream media is the biggest culprit and they are the most dishonest people you will ever meet" - Donald Trump

Vladamir Putin has more common sense in this 8 minute interview, than Hitlery Clinton has in her 35-year killing spree War monger hate-filled career. And you will NEVER find this Putin interview in the western mainstream media, because our MSM is by far the worst in the world. The western MSM are the worst crooks and the biggest liars and gatherer of disinformation in the entire Universe. And it doesn't matter whether you believe that or not, because the Truth is still the Truth.

"We will treat cyber attacks like real war attacks" - Hitler-y Clinton (and to top it off, they lie all about the cyber attacks)

[video=youtube;Nnqx6PYLqoQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ[/video]
 
zeke said:
"I'm not saying it BUT...."

Is kinda trump's thing.

and yeah it's cowardly.
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Zeke, I am serious and honest when I say you are much smarter than that. I don't just believe that, I know that. Forget about the labels in your mind of democrat vs republican. As none of that matters here in this election. This election is about the People vs. the illuminati world banksters who want to control every aspect of your life and strip all your freedoms with false flag propaganda that will greatly impede your life and your family.

I have news for you. Hillary Clinton has not had an interview with a journalist since September 13th !! That amount of time before an election is Unheard of for a presidential candidate. Because she is in hiding. She is the true coward. The illuminati-owned mainstream media is all for her, and STILL she refuses to go on an interview. Because it is she, that has always been a total coward.

Trump is a hero for what he is doing. He is exposing the lies of the illuminati owned media, the total fraud of the american government, and exposing the lies of the illuminati world banksters like very few in history (Edward Snowden is another hero). . The only one who comes close when it comes to Presidents is John F Kennedy, who was assassinated by the CIA just 2 weeks after Kennedy had a groundbreaking speech how everything in the illuminati-controlled mainstream media is corrupt and filled with lies, how everything in society is a lie done by world banksters and their phonies to enslave you, and there is no worse form of slavery that exists than mental slavery.

That speech by JFK is on youtube.

"There is a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I will expose this plot" - John F Kennedy , seven days before he was assassinated by his own CIA.

The reason why even republicans are against Trump (and why the media has totally brainwashed people to believe that Trump is a bad guy because of it). And why the mainstream media demonizes Trump so much. Is because Trump is revealing all the corruption. All the people who are corrupt to the core, are moving away from Trump. Because Trump is Real.
 
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Yanukovych was and is and always has been a putin crony, who is currently living under putin's protection in russia.

Yushchenko is a lifelong ukrainian nationalist, anything but a puppet to american interests.


You are an adorably naive sheep.
 
DelivererOfTruth said:
. This election is about the People vs. the illuminati world banksters
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1. No it's not
2. Trump is a lifelong cradle to grave elite who has made his career holding hands with the political and financial elite and robbing the middle class blind. Hillary was a middle class nerd who worked her ass off to help the middle class her entire life.
 
The funny thing is you actually believe that Trump cares about any of this. He doesn't.

He is a spoiled, bored rich kid trying to get even with anyone who has ever disrespected him.

And he doesn't care if he sabotages all the principles that have made America great to get his. In fact, he believes principles are for losers.

Stop being a sheep.
 
zeke said:
1. No it's not
2. Trump is a lifelong cradle to grave elite who has made his career holding hands with the political and financial elite and robbing the middle class blind. Hillary was a middle class nerd who worked her ass off to help the middle class her entire life.
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You're just regurgitating mainstream media lies my friend.

[video=youtube;B6vsxUKryrg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vsxUKryrg[/video]
 
The fact that Trump was born elite, and has spent his whole life as an elite, is just plain fact.

As is that Hillary was born in a working class family and has worked for the middle class in every step of her career.

These are their actual lives. Media can't change that.
 
My friend, Hillary Clinton's is a huge admirer of Saul Alinsky. You can find personal letters found between the two over many years, long before this election. None of this is a secret (though if you follow the mainstream media, everything will be a secret because they never tell you the truth).

This is what Hillary Clinton is about-

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Anyone who knows politics respects Alinsky's ideas.

Alinsky was the man who pretty much invented modern community organizing. He taught normal poor and working class folk how to band together and fight the elites and the system. His entire life's work was organizing the powerless against the powerful. How to use radicalism to upend the political and economic status quo.

You should love Alinsky. In fact, this entire movement you're trying to ascribe to is USING THE ALINSKY PLAYBOOK, and you don't even know it. Even the language you use (i.e. "the establishment) is ALINSKY LANGUAGE.

do you even know why your propaganda has taught you to hate him?
 
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My beautiful brothers and sisters. There is so much information that they just found in Clinton's emails that point her to being directly involved with the 9/11 inside job and other false flag events. She just moved $1.8 Billion (yes BILLION) dollars from her totally corrupt Clinton Foundation to Qatar. And so much more corruption that would make your head spin and throw up. It's astounding that you follow the mainstream media and don't look into the endless blatant Evidence.

I won't post anymore. This will be my last post. The comments under this video are by me ( Robert) , if you need anything more. But my goodness all of you, please, PLEASE wake up !! We are all on the same team. Nothing in life is personal, ultimately in true reality there is nothing that is personal in this life (only the ego-based mind takes things personally and it's total illusion). Don't be afraid to research, I promise you won't lose your brain. ;-)

[video=youtube;brf5U4CU-XY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brf5U4CU-XY[/video]
 
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JohnnyHolmes said:
They must really be grasping at straws if this is the best hit piece they can come up with.



Just cowardly "journalism".

This guy said this. WE'RE NOT SAYING IT, but...
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You know who the associated press is right?

It was an AP investigation that is reporting it.

Nbc has not investigated and cant confirm.

But a very credible organization... the associated press did an investigation and this is what they found.
 
Alinsky, 1972, playboy magazine interview:

PLAYBOY: Mobilizing middle-class America would seem quite a departure for you after years of working with poverty-stricken black and white slum dwellers. Do you expect suburbia to prove fertile ground for your organizational talents?

ALINSKY: Yes, and it's shaping up as the most challenging fight of my career, and certainly the one with the highest stakes. Remember, people are people whether they're living in ghettos, reservations or barrios, and the suburbs are just another kind of reservation -- a gilded ghetto. One thing I've come to realize is that any positive action for radical social change will have to be focused on the white middle class, for the simple reason that this is where the real power lies. Today, three fourths of our population is middle class, either through actual earning power or through value identification. Take the lower-lower middle class, the blue-collar or hard-hat group; there you've got over 70,000,000 people earning between $5000 and $10,000 a year, people who don't consider themselves poor or lower class at all and who espouse the dominant middle class ethos even more fiercely than the rich do. For the first time in history, you have a country where the poor are in the minority, where the majority are dieting while the have-nots are going to bed hungry every night.

Christ, even if we could manage to organize all the exploited low-income groups -- all the blacks, chicanos, Puerto Ricans, poor whites -- and then, through some kind of organizational miracle, weld them all together into a viable coalition, what would you have? At the most optimistic estimate, 55,000,000 people by the end of this decade -- but by then the total population will be over 225,000,000, of whom the overwhelming majority will be middle class. This is the so-called Silent Majority that our great Greek philosopher in Washington is trying to galvanize, and it's here that the die will be cast and this country's future decided for the next 50 years. Pragmatically, the only hope for genuine minority progress is to seek out allies within the majority and to organize that majority itself as part of a national movement for change. If we just give up and let the middle classes go to the likes of Agnew and Nixon by default, then you might as well call the whole ball game. But they're still up for grabs -- and we're gonna grab 'em.

PLAYBOY: The assumption behind the Administration's Silent Majority thesis is that most of the middle class is inherently conservative. How can even the most skillful organizational tactics unite them in support of your radical goals?

ALINSKY: Conservative? That's a crock of crap. Right now they're nowhere. But they can and will go either of two ways in the coming years -- to a native American fascism or toward radical social change. Right now they're frozen, festering in apathy, leading what Thoreau called "lives of quiet desperation:" They're oppressed by taxation and inflation, poisoned by pollution, terrorized by urban crime, frightened by the new youth culture, baffled by the computerized world around them. They've worked all their lives to get their own little house in the suburbs, their color TV, their two cars, and now the good life seems to have turned to ashes in their mouths. Their personal lives are generally unfulfilling, their jobs unsatisfying, they've succumbed to tranquilizers and pep pills, they drown their anxieties in alcohol, they feel trapped in longterm endurance marriages or escape into guilt-ridden divorces. They're losing their kids and they're losing their dreams. They're alienated, depersonalized, without any feeling of participation in the political process, and they feel rejected and hopeless. Their utopia of status and security has become a tacky-tacky suburb, their split-levels have sprouted prison bars and their disillusionment is becoming terminal.

They're the first to live in a total mass-media-oriented world, and every night when they turn on the TV and the news comes on, they see the almost unbelievable hypocrisy and deceit and even outright idiocy of our national leaders and the corruption and disintegration of all our institutions, from the police and courts to the White House itself. Their society appears to be crumbling and they see themselves as no more than small failures within the larger failure. All their old values seem to have deserted them, leaving them rudderless in a sea of social chaos. Believe me, this is good organizational material.

The despair is there; now it's up to us to go in and rub raw the sores of discontent, galvanize them for radical social change. We'll give them a way to participate in the democratic process, a way to exercise their rights as citizens and strike back at the establishment that oppresses them, instead of giving in to apathy. We'll start with specific issues -- taxes, jobs, consumer problems, pollution -- and from there move on to the larger issues: pollution in the Pentagon and the Congress and the board rooms of the megacorporations. Once you organize people, they'll keep advancing from issue to issue toward the ultimate objective: people power. We'll not only give them a cause, we'll make life goddamn exciting for them again -- life instead of existence. We'll turn them on.

PLAYBOY: You don't expect them to beware of radicals bearing gifts?

ALINSKY: Sure, they'll be suspicious, even hostile at first. That's been my experience with every community I've ever moved into. My critics are right when they call me an outside agitator. When a community, any kind of community, is hopeless and helpless, it requires somebody from outside to come in and stir things up. That's my job -- to unsettle them, to make them start asking questions, to teach them to stop talking and start acting, because the fat cats in charge never hear with their ears, only through their rears. I'm not saying it's going to be easy; thermopolitically, the middle classes are rooted in inertia, conditioned to look for the safe and easy way, afraid to rock the boat. But they're beginning to realize that boat is sinking and unless they start bailing fast, they're going to go under with it. The middle class today is really schizoid, torn between its indoctrination and its objective situation The instinct of middle-class people is to support and celebrate the status quo, but the realities of their daily lives drill it home that the status quo has exploited and betrayed them.

PLAYBOY: In what way?

ALINSKY: In all the ways I've been talking about, from taxation to pollution. The middle class actually feels more defeated and lost today on a wide range of issues than the poor do. And this creates a situation that's supercharged with both opportunity and danger. There's a second revolution seething beneath the surface of middle-class America -- the revolution of a bewildered, frightened and as-yet-inarticulate group of desperate people groping for alternatives -- for hope. Their fears and their frustrations over their impotence can turn into political paranoia and demonize them, driving them to the right, making them ripe for the plucking by some guy on horseback promising a return to the vanished verities of yesterday. The right would give them scapegoats for their misery -- blacks, hippies, Communists -- and if it wins, this country will become the first totalitarian state with a national anthem celebrating "the land of the free and the home of the brave." But we're not going to abandon the field to them without a long, hard fight -- a fight I think we're going to win.
Because we'll show the middle class their real enemies: the corporate power elite that runs and ruins the country -- the true beneficiaries of Nixon's so-called economic reforms. And when they swing their sights on that target, the sh-- will really hit the fan.

PLAYBOY: In the past, you've focused your efforts on specific communities where the problems -- and the solutions -- were clearly defined. But now you're taking on over 150,000,000 people. Aren't you at all fazed by the odds against you?

ALINSKY: Are you kidding? I've been doing this for 30 years now, and the odds haven't bothered me yet. In fact, I've always taken 100-to-one odds as even money. Sure, it's true that the middle class is more amorphous than some barrio in Southern California, and you're going to be organizing all across the country instead of in one city. But the rules are the same. You start with what you've got, you build up one community around the issues, and then you use the organization you've established as an example and a power base to reach other communities. Once you're successful in, say, Chicago -- one of the cities where we're organizing the middle class -- then you can go on to Cincinnati or Boston or Dubuque and say, "OK, you see what we did in Chicago, let's get movin' here." It's like an ink-blot effect, spreading out from local focal points of power across the whole country. Once we have our initial successes, the process will gather momentum and begin to snowball.

It won't be easy and, sure, it's a gamble -- what in life isn't? Einstein once said God doesn't throw dice, but he was wrong. God throws dice all the time, and sometimes I wonder if they're loaded. The art of the organizer is cuttin' in on the action. And believe me, this time we're really going to screw the bastards, hit 'em where it hurts. You know, I sort of look at this as the culmination of my career. I've been in this fight since the Depression; I've been machine-gunned, beaten up, jailed -- they've even given me honorary degrees -- and in a way it's all been preparation for this. I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back. I never gave up faith at the worst times in the past, and I'm sure as hell not going to start now. With some luck, maybe I've got ten more good productive years ahead of me. So I'm going to use them where they count the most.
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Dammit, that sounds just like you.

You and your ilk are all Alisnkyites and don't even know it.

Yet your propaganda has made you hate Alinsky - ask yourself why that is, and who is the source of it.

What kind of people would be most scared of Alinsky? Who is the actual source of your propaganda?
 
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