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OT: American Politics

LeafGm said:
There is simply no possible good faith, beneficial debate or discussion to be had with the likes of Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon.

They’re both completely amoral and irredeemable propagandists & disinformation merchants that are utterly committed to the cause of overthrowing liberal democracy and replacing it with a fascist, thoroughly racist theocracy.
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This sounds like a WeHaveian theory that anyone who ever voted for or even for one second considered themselves to be a conservative is a Nazi who should be hanged.

What exactly is the crime committed here? Talking to someone for half an hour on a podcast.
 
axlsalinger said:
Has anyone actually listened to one of these things? Newsom is clearly smart and charismatic, and personally I think it's a strength that he can go in and talk to the other side. Somebody has to. He's great on Fox News.

That being said, doing a bunch of podcasts with the worst people does seem like a strange strategy to me. I don't think Charlie Kirk's an idiot, so maybe try to spread some knowledge to his followers? Bannon is interesting because he is a very smart guy, and also a total fucking douchebag. I may try to give that one a listen just to see how it goes, but my enthusiasm for actually clicking the button is well below zero.
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I’ve heard clips - most of them sound like he’s just completely sucking up to them.
 
hockeylover said:
I’ve heard clips - most of them sound like he’s just completely sucking up to them.
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I don't know, I am probably in the minority here, and I get it because Steve Bannon makes my skin crawl, but there is a huge divide in politics right now and we have to at least try to talk to the other side. Not that everyone has to agree with this strategy, it is probably pointless. Sam Seder went on Tim Pool's podcast a few months ago, David Pakman did Patrick Bet-David's.

I just think it's silly to try to cancel someone for the crime of ... talking to someone on the other side.
 
axlsalinger said:
This sounds like a WeHaveian theory that anyone who ever voted for or even for one second considered themselves to be a conservative is a Nazi who should be hanged.

What exactly is the crime committed here? Talking to someone for half an hour on a podcast.
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And you sound like someone who needs to familiarize themselves with Charlie Kirk & Steve Bannon if you think they’re comparable to someone who just voted Conservative once.

And for the record, I am someone who has voted conservative more than once. So it’s not like I’m some raving radical leftist who thinks everyone right of center is a monster.

Kirk and Bannon are absolutely fucking monsters though.
 

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hockeylover said:
he did a Nazi salute, like last week?
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It's a fair point, Bannon is a piece of shit. I bet they have probably known each other for years though. Ultimately I think it's a questionable strategy, but maybe he thinks he can win some people over. But mostly just trying to launch the podcast by interviewing anyone who will come on.
 
worm said:
It's like when ppl defended Elon and Joe Rogan until it became super obvious
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and here comes worm to virtue signal once again. Okay you guys are right, it's a crime against humanity to (checks notes) talk to Charlie Kirk. Anyone who does so should be thrown out of the Democratic Party and never heard from again.
 
If Gavin Newsom wants to launch a podcast and talk to actual regular conservatives and try to find common ground, I'd be really surprised if anyone criticized him. Hell, a lot of people here might say that's extremely worthwhile of his time. Buttigieg goes on Fox all the time and does great.

He didn't need to pick the guy giving Nazi salutes at all, but he did, and IMO, it lays bare that his intentions are not as stated.
 
hockeylover said:
If Gavin Newsom wants to launch a podcast and talk to actual regular conservatives and try to find common ground, I'd be really surprised if anyone criticized him. Hell, a lot of people here might say that's worthwhile of his time.

He didn't need to pick the guy giving Nazi salutes at all, but he did, and IMO, it lays bare that his intentions are not as stated.
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Alright I will grant you Steve Bannon. It's certainly a provocative choice, maybe that's why Newsom did it. He is a smart guy and very influential in MAGA world, so maybe it could be an interesting convo. But he is an extremely shitty person, so it is fair to question the decision.
 
axlsalinger said:
and here comes worm to virtue signal once again. Okay you guys are right, it's a crime against humanity to (checks notes) talk to Charlie Kirk. Anyone who does so should be thrown out of the Democratic Party and never heard from again.
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Think he's just pointing out that people keep getting tricked into giving these guys the benefit of doubt and they just get crazier.
 
hockeylover said:
If Gavin Newsom wants to launch a podcast and talk to actual regular conservatives and try to find common ground, I'd be really surprised if anyone criticized him. Hell, a lot of people here might say that's extremely worthwhile of his time. Buttigieg goes on Fox all the time and does great.

He didn't need to pick the guy giving Nazi salutes at all, but he did, and IMO, it lays bare that his intentions are not as stated.
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100%. Absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of having earnest debates and discussions between people of different political ideologies.

But Newsome’s guest choices are what gives away his game here, IMO.
 
hockeylover said:
If Gavin Newsom wants to launch a podcast and talk to actual regular conservatives and try to find common ground, I'd be really surprised if anyone criticized him. Hell, a lot of people here might say that's extremely worthwhile of his time. Buttigieg goes on Fox all the time and does great.

He didn't need to pick the guy giving Nazi salutes at all, but he did, and IMO, it lays bare that his intentions are not as stated.
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I do miss precedented times
 
LeafGm said:
100%. Absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of having earnest debates and discussions between people of different political ideologies.

But Newsome’s guest choices are what gives away his game here, IMO.
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I guess what I'm saying is, gives away what game? He's trying to launch a podcast, perhaps by starting out with some provocative guests. It's free to say you don't agree with that strategy. I just don't see it as some kind of betrayal.

Newsom is highly skilled at spitting out numbers and facts in a charismatic way, by not being antagonistic to these folks maybe he thinks he can convert some of their fans. And we could use a few of them, quite frankly. There are millions of people walking about believing in fairy tales. They can see the Trump shitshow in real time, but there's a certain cognitive dissonance at play. Telling them that they're idiots does not work. You have to first get their attention, and then explain to them exactly how the facts are on our side.
 
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