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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

hockeylover said:
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They may as well. My brother is a teacher for the TSB and he is currently teaching remotely. But in conversations with his students he has discovered that they are living their lives the exact same way they did before the pandemic. They go to the mall, they visit their friends. The only thing they aren't doing that they did before is physically go to school.

If Ford is going to keep the malls open he may as well keep the schools open too. Or does Covid become inert once someone takes out their wallet at Best Buy or Costco?
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
They may as well. My brother is a teacher for the TSB and he is currently teaching remotely. But in conversations with his students he has discovered that they are living their lives the exact same way they did before the pandemic. They go to the mall, they visit their friends. The only thing they aren't doing that they did before is physically go to school.

If Ford is going to keep the malls open he may as well keep the schools open too. Or does Covid become inert once someone takes out their wallet at Best Buy or Costco?
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Every kid we know is having unmasked, indoor playdates on the regular, including us. I don't think we'd be doing the same if our daughter was going to school.
 
Yes I don’t understand how they can close down schools and gyms etc yet keep malls open. Lock it down or GTFO. This half ass measured bullshit isn’t slowing anything down. Do it or don’t do it. This waffling is detrimental. I agree they need to shut it down totally and reset. If people want to keep open for curbside only or delivery etc then have at it. Go online. Essentials can be delivered. Have people man phone lines for those who don’t have access to internet. This doesn’t have to be turrible
 
blkngldbabe said:
Yes I don’t understand how they can close down schools and gyms etc yet keep malls open. Lock it down or GTFO. This half ass measured bullshit isn’t slowing anything down. Do it or don’t do it. This waffling is detrimental. I agree they need to shut it down totally and reset. If people want to keep open for curbside only or delivery etc then have at it. Go online. Essentials can be delivered. Have people man phone lines for those who don’t have access to internet. This doesn’t have to be turrible
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The move was to shut down everything except schools in late November/early December when we all saw this tsunami coming. That wouldn't have stopped the spread but it would have slowed it and bought us time and possibly allowed us to keep schools open by slowing spread elsewhere. They keep saying they prioritize schools and act like it's the last thing they shut down but it obviously isn't.
 
blkngldbabe said:
Yes I don’t understand how they can close down schools and gyms etc yet keep malls open. Lock it down or GTFO. This half ass measured bullshit isn’t slowing anything down. Do it or don’t do it. This waffling is detrimental. I agree they need to shut it down totally and reset. If people want to keep open for curbside only or delivery etc then have at it. Go online. Essentials can be delivered. Have people man phone lines for those who don’t have access to internet. This doesn’t have to be turrible
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Friend had to buy office stuff for his house... capacity at the ikea in burlington was ~1200 and Vaughn is ~2300 people... yet they couldn't even keep restaurants at 10 people inside.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
They may as well. My brother is a teacher for the TSB and he is currently teaching remotely. But in conversations with his students he has discovered that they are living their lives the exact same way they did before the pandemic. They go to the mall, they visit their friends. The only thing they aren't doing that they did before is physically go to school.

If Ford is going to keep the malls open he may as well keep the schools open too. Or does Covid become inert once someone takes out their wallet at Best Buy or Costco?
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but lets keep the hundreds of planes arriving with infected peeps
 
Preston said:
The move was to shut down everything except schools in late November/early December when we all saw this tsunami coming. That wouldn't have stopped the spread but it would have slowed it and bought us time and possibly allowed us to keep schools open by slowing spread elsewhere. They keep saying they prioritize schools and act like it's the last thing they shut down but it obviously isn't.
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If that happened I would have encouraged my wife go on stress leave... absolutely no reason to leave the largest gathering of unvaccinated people open while shutting down everything else.
 
trujaysfan said:
If that happened I would have encouraged my wife go on stress leave... absolutely no reason to leave the largest gathering of unvaccinated people open while shutting down everything else.
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Yup. And people should have the right to do that if they are not comfortable. But there's a balancing act and you've gotta at least try to slow the spread elsewhere AND try to make schools safer so that they can stay open. If the tsunami still comes and the lockdown doesn't work, then yeah you shut schools down too for a bit. But damn, at least pretend that schools are a priority. They aren't even trying.
 
Preston said:
The move was to shut down everything except schools in late November/early December when we all saw this tsunami coming. That wouldn't have stopped the spread but it would have slowed it and bought us time and possibly allowed us to keep schools open by slowing spread elsewhere. They keep saying they prioritize schools and act like it's the last thing they shut down but it obviously isn't.
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Because open malls make money while open schools cost money. Every decision a conservative government anywhere in the world makes is determined by money. Profit and loss. Share value. Money is the only thing that is ever allowed to matter under any conservative government. If schools were revenue generators they'd be kept open even if every child in them had to die.
 
Preston said:
Yup. And people should have the right to do that if they are not comfortable. But there's a balancing act and you've gotta at least try to slow the spread elsewhere AND try to make schools safer so that they can stay open. If the tsunami still comes and the lockdown doesn't work, then yeah you shut schools down too for a bit. But damn, at least pretend that schools are a priority. They aren't even trying.
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The bonded part is the most important... they haven't done that. It's more of the "no testing and tracing = no issues" strategy.
 
lecoqsportif said:
15 yards for piling on?

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Covid loses 90% of ability to infect within 20 minutes in air â study

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This makes sense to me and while I do think ventilation is important, I haven't seen any data about things like HEPA filters actually working to limit the spread.

TLDR: I'm not sure what would make schools safer, especially in the winter months. They aren't trying, which is the main issue, but even if they did try, everything that folks suggest isn't necessarily proven to work.
 
hockeylover said:
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My brother recently had to quarantine because he was advised that one of his fellow teachers had tested positive. But he wasn't permitted to know which teacher so he had no idea whether or not he had even come in contact with said teacher. He had to quarantine over xmas while my octogenarian parents had to spend the day alone because he didn't want to put them at risk. In the end, he tested negative.
 
trujaysfan said:
The bonded part is the most important... they haven't done that. It's more of the "no testing and tracing = no issues" strategy.
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Yeah like I said, I'm not sure how possible it is to even make schools safer outside of having class outdoors (not really feasible in -20 weather). But they're not trying hard enough. At least make an effort. Status quo clearly isn't working.

Testing is the one thing that could deffo help though, I agree.
 
Preston said:
Yeah like I said, I'm not sure how possible it is to even make schools safer outside of having class outdoors (not really feasible in -20 weather). But they're not trying hard enough. At least make an effort. Status quo clearly isn't working.

Testing is the one thing that could deffo help though, I agree.
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Testing, limit class sizes (as suggest before the school years started but never happened), proper masks for educators, acknowledging covid is airborne and possibly hiring enough teachers so that sick days can get covered.
 
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