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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

Yeah health care is something we can do way better.

Scientific advancements will continue to help us over the coming years. Pfizer's drug will be keep people out of hospitals (and more treatments are on the way as well). Variant-proof vaccines will be the next crucial development. And those WILL come. Just a matter of when. We can't have these 6 month gaps without a proper vaccine. Our immune systems will become broader and more robust.. And finally, the morbid bit... Some of our most vulnerable will likely pass away during this wave. Other countries got that out of the way in prior waves; we're dealing with that now which might be why we're not seeing the "it's mild decoupling" that other countries are seeing.
 
Hopefully, we'll have our vaccine and drug game on point by next fall, before the inevitable winter spike in infections.
 
Preston said:
And I believe every classroom in NY has 2 HEPA filters. Omicron is just... tough. For once I won't pretend to know what the right thing to do is. I don't have kids in school and I'm not a teacher so I prolly shouldn't even opine on this even if I had an opinion.

I do wish we had a way better vax rate for 5-11s in Ontario. It's shockingly horrible.
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They did just open up late November/early December and it requires 8 weeks between. Many I know are single dosed. We need to wait for three more weeks before second for us. Hopefully the uptake gets better now the holidays are over. I’d also wager that many kids and families are down with the sickness so they can’t get the jab right now.
 
Pfizer says omicron vaccines will be ready to be distributed by June. So we'll call it August before we get a dose here in Canada (they have to split manufacturing between OG doses and Omicron and who knows what that ratio will be.. TLDR: Supply might be an issue).

Have a feeling the dominant variant by then won't be omicron, but not sure if a WT descendent is capable of outcompeting it. Hopefully the next one is a descendent of omicron and not another completely rando immune escape one.
 
blkngldbabe said:
They did just open up late November/early December and it requires 8 weeks between. Many I know are single dosed. We need to wait for three more weeks before second for us. Hopefully the uptake gets better now the holidays are over. I’d also wager that many kids and families are down with the sickness so they can’t get the jab right now.
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Yeah true. Right now we're at 46% uptake for even 1st doses tho. Newfoundland, for example, is over 70% for their 5-11s. Would like to see that number rise, but you're right, maybe they're waiting things out, especially if they've already been infected.
 
One more x-factor...

Health Canada is going to approve Novavax by the end of January most likely. We have a fuckton on order. Data against Omicron after boosting looks really really good. Much better than the mRNA products (Novavax had 96% efficacy vs OG covid, for reference):

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This could be an option in our backpocket.


Presto policy: boost everyone who hasn't been infected by omicron 3 months after their mrna boost using the Novavax product. This will likely restore VE to 90+% again. Combined with the millions of recent omicron infections and we've got ourselves some solid population immunity again!
 
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Preston said:
One more x-factor...

Health Canada is going to approve Novavax by the end of January most likely. We have a fuckton on order. Data against Omicron after boosting looks really really good. Much better than the mRNA products (Novavax had 96% efficacy vs OG covid, for reference):

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This could be an option in our backpocket.
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that seems like positive news. i'm still optimistic spring/summer will be fairly good here.
 
hockeylover said:
that seems like positive news. i'm still optimistic spring/summer will be fairly good here.
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Still tbd on how that lab data translates to real life but the drop in VE is nothing compared to what we saw from Pfizer and Moderna. I'd be shocked if real life VE translated to below 85% at least after the first month. Hard to ask for more than that. Hopefully we lead and take the aggressive approach instead of just waiting for omicron boosters, which may not come till late summer. If we boost before summer, totally agree we should have an awesome summer.
 
leafman101 said:
Also regarding the running out of ambulances, apparently there are like a million EMT applicants for every job opening. Just hire more, and buy some ghostbuster cars. Invest.
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The problem isn’t the number of paramedics or ambulances, it’s unloading at hospitals.
 
Preston said:
Yup. And people should have the right to do that if they are not comfortable. But there's a balancing act and you've gotta at least try to slow the spread elsewhere AND try to make schools safer so that they can stay open. If the tsunami still comes and the lockdown doesn't work, then yeah you shut schools down too for a bit. But damn, at least pretend that schools are a priority. They aren't even trying.
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in AB at least.... kids to not spread covid
 
Preston said:
Pfizer says omicron vaccines will be ready to be distributed by June. So we'll call it August before we get a dose here in Canada (they have to split manufacturing between OG doses and Omicron and who knows what that ratio will be.. TLDR: Supply might be an issue).

Have a feeling the dominant variant by then won't be omicron, but not sure if a WT descendent is capable of outcompeting it. Hopefully the next one is a descendent of omicron and not another completely rando immune escape one.
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The thing that worries me most is with the highest case counts ever ...all the mutation chances......
 
worm said:
The thing that worries me most is with the highest case counts ever ...all the mutation chances......
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Similar to delta though, we're getting close to the top of the mountain with what these viruses are capable of. Finding advantageous mutation is going to be difficult, however many kicks at the can its getting.
 
MindzEye said:
Similar to delta though, we're getting close to the top of the mountain with what these viruses are capable of. Finding advantageous mutation is going to be difficult, however many kicks at the can its getting.
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I hope you are right

but I hoped the same thing with delta....then booooom - worst wave yet
 
I'm gonna defer to the nerds on this one. Not sure how much more transmissible we can necessarily get.. But more variants that completely escape immunity will prolly come now that there will be more selective pressure (as our population immunity strengthens). Eventually, long, long, longterm we'll all have broad protection from infection or vaccine on a variety of these variants so the virus may run out of tricks. Timelines are hard tho.
 
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