Preston
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Your best bet is to assume the worst will happen and hope for the best! It usually ages well. Omicron+ transmissibility with Delta+ virulence with complete immune escape. Bring it on, bitches.
OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about
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UWHabs
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That's all kind of the key with "learning to live with this". Given the vaccines and everything leading to the fall, I think people were hopeful things would all work out. But now with Omicron and people with boosters still catching this, I kind of feel it's a lost cause to really contain this fully.
But what we can do is make sure the Healthcare system can cope with the waves. We can make sure that places where people are exposed for a long time like classrooms are as safe as possible. And we have to figure out a way to have like a "mini-lockdown" when certain outbreaks are happening. You can't wait for cases to have been spiking for a week before you say "Okay, in 4 days we're going to close movie theaters." You have to be ahead of the game, shut it down early, and people will have to know that doing that means it will be open again in a week or two.
Preston
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Yeah and living with it today means more interventions are required than living with it in 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 years.
I know we're all in a hurry to throw our hands in the air and give up and say it's impossible to deal with so let's do nothing... But we're not there yet. Kicking the can down the road will have its benefits as it has since the beginning. Just having a proper vaccine during this wave would have made a huge difference, for example. And that's coming soon enough.
The only thing that could possibly cause a regression over the next few years is a significantly more severe variant that even prior immunity can't blunt effectively. But that's just as likely as a significantly more mild variant coming. Aka probably against the odds.
Preston
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Consistent with all the other data we've seen. Vaccines (more vaxxed are getting infected than with delta), prior infection (more reinfections than with Delta) + any intrinsic decline in severity is showing a 50-70% decline in severity. Prior immunity likely takes up the majority of that decline, but it's clearly a little (20-30%?) less severe than Delta too!
leafman101
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With/for COVID is being politicized but it is data we should have. Whether or not it is better predictor than Corsi is another question.
Preston
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Very important data. Because the higher proportion of with coviders we see, the more likely they are to result in death. Outside of LTC homes, hospital acquired infections have resulted in the most deaths in Ontario throughout the pandemic. This is a very bad thing in many cases. These are often very very sick people getting infected with covid.
hockeylover
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It's too bad though, because it's kind of a nuanced discussion and there's going to be just a shitload of dummies who parrot it to attempt to sound smart. I guess that's most things these days though.
anne25
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For all the doom, gloom and finger pointing people need to take a look around at the rest of the developed world. The situation in most countries is much the same as here. In fact Canada is doing considerably better (for now) than many if not most countries in managing the spread and management of covid.
In democracies you will always find about fifty percent of the population say government is not doing enough and the other half saying government is overreaching and doing too controlling. In its own way this is good in that it gives a frustrated population a way to blow off steam.
We are all getting tired of this scourge and the way our individual life and activities are being up ended. I know I am and my activities have only been marginally changed, but I am getting tired of so much negativity everywhere I look.
There, I’ve blown off some steam.
. For the rest of the day I’ll try to just 
( maybe)
In democracies you will always find about fifty percent of the population say government is not doing enough and the other half saying government is overreaching and doing too controlling. In its own way this is good in that it gives a frustrated population a way to blow off steam.
We are all getting tired of this scourge and the way our individual life and activities are being up ended. I know I am and my activities have only been marginally changed, but I am getting tired of so much negativity everywhere I look.
There, I’ve blown off some steam.
. For the rest of the day I’ll try to just ( maybe)
Preston
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Correct. All this talk about Ontario's poor healthcare being the only reason we're in the shitter is not 100% true. We're seeing the same patterns elsewhere. We just have to shut down a bit earlier than other places because of our lack of beds compared to the UK, Denmark, US, etc.For all the doom, gloom and finger pointing people need to take a look around at the rest of the developed world. The situation in most countries is much the same as here. In fact Canada is doing considerably better (for now) than many if not most countries in managing the spread and management of covid.
In democracies you will always find about fifty percent of the population say government is not doing enough and the other half saying government is overreaching and doing too controlling. In its own way this is good in that it gives a frustrated population a way to blow off steam.
We are all getting tired of this scourge and the way our individual life and activities are being up ended. I know I am and my activities have only been marginally changed, but I am getting tired of so much negativity everywhere I look.
There, I’ve blown off some steam.
With covid, for covid, "mild" hospitalizations, etc. Whatever narrative you prefer to use it doesn't change the fact that hospitals across the world are under tremendous stress because of a variant that many convinced themselves to believe was the common cold. Turns out it's still covid.
Wayward DP
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it's like if they present the numbers differently it will somehow tell a story other than, 'our healthcare system is fucking overwhelmed'
leafman101
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ya it would be good know what percentage of For/with end up iCu/death. It would also be good to know by department e.g oncology vs orthopedic etc.
admissions will always be the bigger sample size though.
LeafGm
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Understandable. I can’t really imagine being a front line health care worker, going through the past couple of years and now watching this Omicron wave starting to wash over the hospitals.
Preston
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Can't speak for doctors, but at the very least for nurses she says nothing has compared to this wave. Glad they're gonna try to do something about it because a lot of them are bailing. They don't get paid enough to deal with that shit.