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OT: MLB Thread

The 5 "projected" are proven high OPS/WAR players. The Sox have one.

You said I hate the Sox, however I don't mind them at all really. I actually really like the Yanks too. Playoff baseball in the Bronx is amazing. So i'm not quite sure where you are going with this.

I just said you hate the Jays cause you said I hate the Sox, which is wrong.

I don't hate. I'm using stats.

Not sure why I need to defend myself here.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Not sure why the Bosox traded Cespedes, especially when they didn't re-acquire Lester. Very little to show for that trade.
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Because he isn't even a starter in their projected lineup, and is a free agent next year.

Betts, Ramirez and Castillo are the projected Outfielders, Ortiz at DH

Wouldn't be surprised to see them trade Allan Craig either.


They get a ;middle of the rotation starter for their fourth outfielder, who is gonna leave in free agency as soon as he can..... of course they should do it.
 
BKerr said:
Because he isn't even a starter in their projected lineup, and is a free agent next year.

Betts, Ramirez and Castillo are the projected Outfielders, Ortiz at DH

Wouldn't be surprised to see them trade Allan Craig either.


They get a ;middle of the rotation starter for their fourth outfielder, who is gonna leave in free agency as soon as he can..... of course they should do it.
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He was the third highest WAR/OPS player in that lineup. He was projected to play, just not at the position he is comfortable with. This is good news for the Jays cause Ramirez WAR will take a major hit playing LF. He will be a puzzle out there.
 
CaptainBolduke said:
He was the third highest WAR/OPS player in that lineup. He was projected to play, just not at the position he is comfortable with. This is good news for the Jays cause Ramirez WAR will take a major hit playing LF. He will be a puzzle out there.
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Yes, but Boston needed to improve their rotation. Porcello does that. Also, 2 years ago, he put up a 1.6 war, so let's be a bit realistic here, he could be good or he could just be above average, but replaceable. Also, he hit very average at fenway in a small sample. Either way, he's a FA at the end of the year, so, it's a great trade for Boston. Porcello is only 25 and guess what WAR he put up last year? ya, that's right 4 ..
 
The difference in who they had starting and is now knocked out of the rotation vs Porcello is a lot bigger than the difference in the outfield without Cespedes, even if you assume he's a starter and ignore the fact that Red Sox had already acknowledged wasn't starting on the day they signed Hanley Ramirez.
 
BKerr said:
The difference in who they had starting and is now knocked out of the rotation vs Porcello is a lot bigger than the difference in the outfield without Cespedes, even if you assume he's a starter and ignore the fact that Red Sox had already acknowledged wasn't starting on the day they signed Hanley Ramirez.
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The projected WAR for Ramirez is 4 next year vs 3.1 for Cespedes. The projected WAR for Porcello is 3.1 as well.
 
Oh Mr. Bolduke, guess which rotations these are for projected WAR once the Miley trade is completed

Total team 1 projected war = 10.4
3.1/2.1/2.1/2/1.1

Total team 2 projected war = 8.33
3.3/1.5/1.5/1.9/.1


Go ahead cowboy, guess ...
 
xposbrad said:
Yes, but Boston needed to improve their rotation. Porcello does that. Also, 2 years ago, he put up a 1.6 war, so let's be a bit realistic here, he could be good or he could just be above average, but replaceable. Also, he hit very average at fenway in a small sample. Either way, he's a FA at the end of the year, so, it's a great trade for Boston. Porcello is only 25 and guess what WAR he put up last year? ya, that's right 4 ..
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I know what WAR he put up, so I don't need to guess.

I'm not sure why you are being so confrontational. All I can speculate is that Boston is your favorite team and you are getting defensive about it.

What is your problem?
 
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The 5 current Boston starters posted a 6.8WAR last season.

So since we seem to be comparing the Jays and Red Sox:

2014 stats:

(Standard WAR - not bWAR)
Jays starters 11.1WAR
BoSox starters 6.8WAR

That's a big difference. The Red Sox have a lot of work to do.

Anyways, it's still important to note that Josh Donaldson is still arguably the best player to be acquired by any team this off-season. Boston's rebuilt rotation had a cumulative bWAR below 2 last year. While Buchholz and Masterson probably couldn't be worse than they were last year, they could still be pretty bad, and any boost Miley gets from Boston's defence is probably off-set by the move from the NL West to the AL East. They're probably not done, but right now I'd take the Jays' rotation over the Red Sox's.
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
I know what WAR he put up, so I don't need to guess.

I'm not sure why you are being so confrontational. All I can speculate is that Boston is your favorite team and you are getting defensive about it.

What is your problem?
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lol ok, let's just stop arguing, projections are just that, projections and we each have differing opinions. I actually am a Blue Jays fan, if you've read other posts in other threads you will see that I actually root for the only team left in Canada. But when over the years I've seen them constantly do things half ass and never sign the right players, or just cheap out when they are like 2/3 of the way there, it pisses me off and I get critical of them.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Sternberg is firing a shot across the bow of the civic leadership in Tampa: new ballpark or I sell and the team moves away.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/rays-sternberg-opens-up-about-future-in-tampa-bay/

I'm not sure anyone in Tampa really gives a damn whether the Rays stay or go. They've put a playoff caliber team on the field for the past few seasons and there's still no sign of baseball fever taking hold.
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I read an article somewhere with super agent Scott Boras saying the team should move from TBay to Mtl. He didn't quite have his facts straight regarding Canada's population etc., but he's the last guy I'd expect to state that, even though he has ulterior motives.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Sternberg is firing a shot across the bow of the civic leadership in Tampa: new ballpark or I sell and the team moves away.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/rays-sternberg-opens-up-about-future-in-tampa-bay/

I'm not sure anyone in Tampa really gives a damn whether the Rays stay or go. They've put a playoff caliber team on the field for the past few seasons and there's still no sign of baseball fever taking hold.
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The usual blackmail...it will probably work.
 
Sal_Butera said:
I read an article somewhere with super agent Scott Boras saying the team should move from TBay to Mtl. He didn't quite have his facts straight regarding Canada's population etc., but he's the last guy I'd expect to state that, even though he has ulterior motives.
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He's said it more than once now actually. I just can't understand what's his obsession with tampa leaving and with montreal.
 
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