Habs53
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Its gonna happen
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Altair
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The als can't sell out a 25000 seat stadium.
The impact can't sell out a 20000 seat stadium.
The world juniors couldn't sell out a Canada USA game.
Womens world cup of soccer, 1000 fans in the big owe.
But somehow montreal residents will become real sports fans and support a baseball team 81 homes games a year? Montreal is a great Habs city, terrible sports town.
wiseguy1
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Numbers dont lie. Montrealers get bored easily.
wiseguy1
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Although the Grand Prix and the Rogers Cup do pretty well. Maybe someone should look deeper into how these events are marketed , tickets are priced...etc...
Somewhat off topic, but there is actually a negative chance, -250% chance that the Expos if they came here could build a stadium for 600m. I know this because I just took my son to the new super hospital which is so poorly designed, with horrible signage, and it cost 1.3b-1.6b with about 250m of new equipment. Honestly, it's a huge disappointment for a new modern structure. They actually have to have people inside telling you where to go. Outside, they put a walkway for people 5 feet from where people smoke. So you get to inhale all that smoke as you walk to which hospital you need to go to, btw, with no signs telling you which hospital is where unless you are by the street. Unless an American company is brought in to build a stadium, we are looking at 1billion for a half ass done stadium (because that's how things are done in la belle).
Oh, when you exit the 'super hospital' they have a huge sign with about 10-15 things written on it, at a stop sign you need to know whether to go left or right and are faced with this massive plaque. Somewhere in there is an Exit/Sortie. LOL it would have been too smart to put it separately so you don't spend 5-10 seconds reading it at a stop sign.
Oh ya, for all the hospitals combined, they have 2 lanes for cars with waiting taxis/handicapped vans occupying 1 lane, so you have cars/new taxis taking 1 lane and it is a mess with honking and guards trying to get everyone moving. Not bad for something BRAND NEW. Oh ya, it cost me $20 to park for 35 minutes in the short term because I had no clue there was another parking area that was slightly cheaper.
So, 1 Billion for a stadium + franchise fees = very little viability of it happening here
Oh, when you exit the 'super hospital' they have a huge sign with about 10-15 things written on it, at a stop sign you need to know whether to go left or right and are faced with this massive plaque. Somewhere in there is an Exit/Sortie. LOL it would have been too smart to put it separately so you don't spend 5-10 seconds reading it at a stop sign.
Oh ya, for all the hospitals combined, they have 2 lanes for cars with waiting taxis/handicapped vans occupying 1 lane, so you have cars/new taxis taking 1 lane and it is a mess with honking and guards trying to get everyone moving. Not bad for something BRAND NEW. Oh ya, it cost me $20 to park for 35 minutes in the short term because I had no clue there was another parking area that was slightly cheaper.
So, 1 Billion for a stadium + franchise fees = very little viability of it happening here
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Habs53
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The Als do sell out some games. The other games are close
Soccer ... who cares about soccer
The world juniors.. its not professional . And the place was far from empty
wiseguy1
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The Als have sustained decent numbers over a long time, I think that has surprised some. CFL in the Eastern part of the country is a tough sell.
Has anyone ever told you that you are a very negative person
XPOFAN
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Really?
Sometimes realistic and negative are often confused. People are naive to think everything is just going to fall into place for this to happen, from underestimating stadium costs, to having regular attendance in the 27-30k range, and pretending like a 75m payroll will be enough to field a winning team. You know yourself this province has been on its way down since the 80s, it's going to be hard to support another professional franchise here that's not hockey.
I agree but remember fans from all the other teams either through revenue welfare or going to Montreal will support the team and make it viabld. Allegedly.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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The als can't sell out a 25000 seat stadium.
I'm going to the home opener in a couple of weeks. When I checked the Admission.com website there weren't many tickets left. Most CFL teams draw around the 25K level. The Als and the entire league had a mediocre season and the team is in transition. But they have their fans and a decent TV deal. Nothing to worry about in the near to medium term.
The impact can't sell out a 20000 seat stadium.
Well it's minor league soccer. What do you expect? Aside from a few no lifers from St. Leonard who gives a shit about soccer?
The world juniors couldn't sell out a Canada USA game.
I have no inside information but I would imagine that the organizers tried to gouge on tickets because the games were being played in Montreal and Toronto. But at the end of the day, it's junior hockey, not the NHL. People in Montreal don't pay NHL prices to watch junior hockey, even the Worlds. They had the tournament in 1978 when Wayne Gretzky was playing for Canada and the Forum was half-empty. The WJC is what it is today because TSN pumps its tires like it's the be-all, end-all. But it's mostly hype. There are only a couple of good teams and the rest are garbage. TSN tries to wave the flag and that may work in Toronto but Montrealers aren't as jingoistic about being Canadian as they are in the rest of Canada.
Womens world cup of soccer, 1000 fans in the big owe.
Again, what do you expect? You're combining two things that nobody cares about: soccer and womens sports. Quick. Can you name the all time points leader in the WNBA? The correct answer is "who gives a shit?"
Don't crap on Montreal sports fans simply because they don't act like sheep and are too smart to buy sub-standard merchandise just because some guy in marketing decided to slap a maple leaf on it. Montrealers won't flock to minor league baseball any more than they will to minor league soccer or junior hockey. But they will pay to have major league ball.
I'm going to the home opener in a couple of weeks. When I checked the Admission.com website there weren't many tickets left. Most CFL teams draw around the 25K level. The Als and the entire league had a mediocre season and the team is in transition. But they have their fans and a decent TV deal. Nothing to worry about in the near to medium term.
The impact can't sell out a 20000 seat stadium.
Well it's minor league soccer. What do you expect? Aside from a few no lifers from St. Leonard who gives a shit about soccer?
The world juniors couldn't sell out a Canada USA game.
I have no inside information but I would imagine that the organizers tried to gouge on tickets because the games were being played in Montreal and Toronto. But at the end of the day, it's junior hockey, not the NHL. People in Montreal don't pay NHL prices to watch junior hockey, even the Worlds. They had the tournament in 1978 when Wayne Gretzky was playing for Canada and the Forum was half-empty. The WJC is what it is today because TSN pumps its tires like it's the be-all, end-all. But it's mostly hype. There are only a couple of good teams and the rest are garbage. TSN tries to wave the flag and that may work in Toronto but Montrealers aren't as jingoistic about being Canadian as they are in the rest of Canada.
Womens world cup of soccer, 1000 fans in the big owe.
Again, what do you expect? You're combining two things that nobody cares about: soccer and womens sports. Quick. Can you name the all time points leader in the WNBA? The correct answer is "who gives a shit?"
Don't crap on Montreal sports fans simply because they don't act like sheep and are too smart to buy sub-standard merchandise just because some guy in marketing decided to slap a maple leaf on it. Montrealers won't flock to minor league baseball any more than they will to minor league soccer or junior hockey. But they will pay to have major league ball.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Don't assume that because the Big O was a fiasco 40 years ago that it's inevitable that it will happen again. The unions are nowhere near as powerful as they were then, there's less corruption and I'd expect that a lot of the contractors that would work on building a new ballpark wouldn't be unionized at all (i.e. they'd actually give you an honest day's work) I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in foreign workers to build it. One thing's for certain, though. The architectural firm in charge of the project will be one of the heavy hitters that have experience building MLB stadiums, not some effite "visionary" from France who has no concept of how North Americans prefer their sporting experience to resemble. I've been to Parc des Princes in Paris which was also designed by Roger Taillebert and constructed a couple of years before work began on the Big O. It is, essentially, the same stadium, just a tad smaller. Even the plastic seats are the same as at the Big O.
If you get HOK or one of those architectural firms that have overseen the construction of the latest wave of retro-style MLB parks, you're going to get it done right. HOK built PNC Park in Pittsburgh for what would amount to $288 million in 2015 US dollars. A ballpark along those lines would be perfect for Montreal. If you think you can't live without a retractable roof then there's Miller Park in Milwaukee that, adjusted to 2015 dollars, was built for $533 million. Both are a far cry from costing a billion.
XPOFAN
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Most people are not delusional about these things and expect these things to just fall into place. Truth of the matter is you just like to be very negative about Montreal and Quebec.
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WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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The truth hurts. Soccer will never amount to jack squat on this side of the Atlantic. Soccer lovers have been telling us for 40 years about how soccer is the sport of the future, but the North American landscape is littered with the rotting corpses of defunct soccer leagues. It will always be a good participation sport because it's cheap and non-violent, but it will never be a popular spectator sport in North America because, well, there's no violence. Nobody wants to associate with what is perceived to be a pantywaist sport played by European metrosexuals who roll around and play dead every time they get touched.