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BKerr said:
Jays sign Melky "PED" Cabrera. 2 years 16 million
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Jays are looking for the championship next year. Very aggressive in the offseason. Yankees have shown there are cracks in the armor and Boston has some retooling. Who knows, maybe Toronto will do it.
 
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Habshockeygods said:
Jays are looking for the championship next year. Very aggressive in the offseason. Yankees have shown there are cracks in the armor and Boston has some retooling. Who knows, maybe Toronto will do it.
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I think the extra wildcard makes A.A.'s job much easier. Or at least it makes these deals easier to sell to ownership.
 
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Habshockeygods said:
Jays are looking for the championship next year. Very aggressive in the offseason. Yankees have shown there are cracks in the armor and Boston has some retooling. Who knows, maybe Toronto will do it.
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Really only 1 weak spot in the lineup. 1B.
 
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One thing I never understood was why Expo fans hated the Blue Jays so much. To me they were irrelevant but I recall guys like Dennis, Big Owe and others just hating them even though they were in the other league.

That being said, if the Blue Jays never won another game, I wouldn't be upset.
 
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worm said:
Of course half the team will need Tommy John by June.
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That seems to be the gNats curse.

Even though I'm is Red Sox nation here, I have always had a soft spot for the Jays and was glad to see them win consecutive titles.
 
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People started to dislike the Jays for the same reason many dislike the Leafs. The TV networks were ramming Jays game across the country after the Expos had years on their own as Canada's team. It's funny how many people I meet even out here that have an affection for the Expos and feel nothing for the Jays.

I was at the game when the Jays won their first WS in Atlanta. I cheered for neither team being an Expos fan so I just drank many beers and kidded with the old ladies sitting next to me and my friend.
 
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Jays still need to hope Lind is decent this year, otherwise they are a bit weak at DH. If the Jays honestly just took a 1 year gamble on J Bay, and that's it, they could be tops in the AL east. Bay hit well for boston and he's still not that old..Either way, I think they will be competitive this year, just not sure they have what it takes to go all the way though.
 
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According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, while the Marlins do not award no-trade clauses, they had assured both Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle as free agents last offseason that they would not be moved, and that the team was committed to a long-term vision.

Buehrle was concerned going in due to the Marlins history of dumping high-priced veterans, but team president David Samson reassured him and his wife that he wouldn't be traded. While verbally assuring players they won't be traded isn't a binding agreement, it's still deplorable to turn around and sell off those players the next season. It's hard to envision any free agents choosing to sign with Miami in the near future. Source: FOXSports.com
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:lol
 
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TheCountofMonteCristo said:
One thing I never understood was why Expo fans hated the Blue Jays so much.
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The Jays pulled a fast one with MLB, usurping the broadcast rights the Expos held across Canada, since their inception, significantly limiting their reach. The deal was made without the Expos' knowledge (I believe Paul Beeston used his huge influence within the Commish's office to get it done) and totally reeked -- this was a good reason as any, to foster hatred for them.

Add to that the Jays voting for the contraction of the Expos, no way I could ever become a fan. I'm sure several other fans have a similar motivation.

Good on you to have adopted the Giants. Have not been able to relate to any MLB team since the Expos.
 
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Tiger's Wood said:
The Jays pulled a fast one with MLB, usurping the broadcast rights the Expos held across Canada, since their inception, significantly limiting their reach. The deal was made without the Expos' knowledge (I believe Paul Beeston used his huge influence within the Commish's office to get it done) and totally reeked -- this was a good reason as any, to foster hatred for them.

Add to that the Jays voting for the contraction of the Expos, no way I could ever become a fan. I'm sure several other fans have a similar motivation.

Good on you to have adopted the Giants. Have not been able to relate to any MLB team since the Expos.
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The Jays were 1 of 28 teams who voted to contract the Expos. With that logic, may as well hate them all. As for the broadcast rights issue, at this point, does it matter? No more Expos so who honestly cares about a past territorial squabble. As the sole MLB team from Canada, it's nice to see them have some success.
 
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Habshockeygods said:
The Jays were 1 of 28 teams who voted to contract the Expos. With that logic, may as well hate them all. As for the broadcast rights issue, at this point, does it matter? No more Expos so who honestly cares about a past territorial squabble. As the sole MLB team from Canada, it's nice to see them have some success.
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So now you have the authority to diss the logic of others who are simply emitting personal opinions about why they are put off by the Jays? Sorry they weren't vetted by you first.

How convenient that you use the Jays' "Canadian" identity to hype their success. Seems that they were just as Canadian in the contraction vote. A supporting Spos vote by the Jays, would have meant something to me as fan, in a time that was amongst the darkest in Spos history.

You conveniently dismiss the broadcast rights issue as a "squabble" but frankly, it was more than that. The Jays' actions were unfair and abusive -- they used backroom, shady dealings to oust Expos broadcasts from several Canadian communities that had come to follow the team since its inception and which the Expos had rightfully grandfathered. The Jays are getting the snub they deserve from a lot of Montrealers, whether you like it or not.
 
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worm said:
Why would the Rays move though?

Is the stadium really that old?
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It's a shitty dome. Not very modern baseball like but summers there are so hot and sticky, the franchise is in a lose-lose situation.

I think the Jays and Rays are the only teams left that play on turf stadiums not dedicated to baseball.
 
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xposbrad said:
Jays still need to hope Lind is decent this year, otherwise they are a bit weak at DH. If the Jays honestly just took a 1 year gamble on J Bay, and that's it, they could be tops in the AL east. Bay hit well for boston and he's still not that old..Either way, I think they will be competitive this year, just not sure they have what it takes to go all the way though.
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The Jays need a DH for sure, but with Bautista and Encarnacion both hitting RH, they need the DH to be a lefty, and Bay doesn't fit what they need.

I'd go after switch hitter Lance Berkman on a one year deal to DH.
 
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TheCountofMonteCristo said:
One thing I never understood was why Expo fans hated the Blue Jays so much. To me they were irrelevant but I recall guys like Dennis, Big Owe and others just hating them even though they were in the other league.

That being said, if the Blue Jays never won another game, I wouldn't be upset.
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For me, it's as simple as this: the Blue Jays are from Toronto. No self-respecting Montrealer ever roots for the success of anything Toronto. Ever.

Additionally, there are several other good reasons why Expos Fan wouldn't pi$$ on the Jays if they collectively burst into flames, not the least of which is the contraction vote. I don't care if 28 other teams also voted in favor of contraction. The Jays owe their existence to the success of the Expos. For them to vote in favor of contraction reeks of "Et tu brute?"

Then of course there's the media coverage. Almost from the day the Jays came into existence they were trying to marginalize the Expos and most of the Toronto-based "national" media was only too happy to help them. I used to be able to drive from Toronto to Montreal and pick up an Expos broadcast the whole way through, from Expos radio affiliates in Oshawa, Belleville, Kingston, and Cornwall, among others. By the time I moved to the west coast in 1992 the Expos were a rumour outside of Quebec. All the stations which had formerly carried the Expos were now carrying the Jays exclusively. And TSN, which started out showing a roughly equal number of Jays and Expos games, slowly but surely whittled down their Expos coverage until the split was roughly 80/20 in favour of the Jays.

Then the Jays won a couple of championships and the media forgot that the Expos ever existed. In the past, the Expos were able to stay relevant by winning. In the late 70's and early 80's while the Jays were still a sad sack expansion team, the Expos were an elite team so they were able to hang on to a lot of their English media coverage. Then in the mid to late 80's when the Jays got good, the Expos coverage waned. After the consecutive titles won by Toronto in 92 and 93 the Expos were on the fast-track to oblivion as far as media coverage was concerned and then they went on that run in 94. But when the strike screwed the Expos out of a post-season appearance and the fire sale that followed, the Jays had it all to themselves from that point on.
 
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