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OT: MLB Thread

Baseball has an incredibly messed up economic process that was started by...drum roll please... Donald Fehr. Fehr attempted to do the same to the NHL but thankfully NHL owners aren't trained chimps like many in baseball were in the 80's(see Selig, Bud, Bush, George W.). Now we have solid but not spectacular players demanding for a yearly salary north of 15 million per year and 1 guy who has never thrown an MLB pitch yet he will likely get 120-140 million dollars.
 
Habs_Lifer said:
A-Rod does have a small point in regards to his suspension. He's never actually failed a test, however, I believe it was proven that he attempted to buy Tony Bosch's evidence in order to hide/destroy it. Honestly, MLB needs to somehow get this matter resolved once and for all because the long it drags out, the worse it looks.
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And MLB bought documents that were known to be stolen in order to suspend him, so it cuts both ways.

A-Rod should have got 50 games... same as all first time offenders IMO.
 
Habs_Lifer said:
Baseball has an incredibly messed up economic process that was started by...drum roll please... Donald Fehr. Fehr attempted to do the same to the NHL but thankfully NHL owners aren't trained chimps like many in baseball were in the 80's(see Selig, Bud, Bush, George W.). Now we have solid but not spectacular players demanding for a yearly salary north of 15 million per year and 1 guy who has never thrown an MLB pitch yet he will likely get 120-140 million dollars.
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Baseball players get 47% of league revenues (lowest of any league despite no cap)..... Hockey players get 50%
 
BKerr said:
Baseball players get 47% of league revenues (lowest of any league despite no cap)..... Hockey players get 50%
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ya

do people forget that baseball season has twice as many games?

215 million = 107.5m in hockey
 
BKerr said:
And MLB bought documents that were known to be stolen in order to suspend him, so it cuts both ways.

A-Rod should have got 50 games... same as all first time offenders IMO.
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I agree, 50 games should have been what he got. No actual failed test but his name being associated with Biogenesis warrants it but nothing more.
 
Apparently they 'caught' him with three different PED over three years and so consider it 50 games per each...bringing it to 150 to start with

then the 'lance armstronging'
 
BKerr said:
Baseball players get 47% of league revenues (lowest of any league despite no cap)..... Hockey players get 50%
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That is true but I believe that number was negotiated down in the most recent CBA talks(I may be mistaken) which wasn't under Fehr's advisement. Fehr was instrumental in the rise of the MLBPA as well as the massive rise among player salaries and at the time their was no luxury tax system in place which came in 2003. Ironically, 50% of all luxury tax money goes directly to the players fund. And because of Fehr, the MLBPA held far more power than any other sports unions.

That 50% revenue share is a 4-7% decrease than what Bob Goodenow/Ted Saskin negotiated for back in 2004-05. The fact Fehr didn't have any dirty laundry on the owners like he had in the mid-80's factored quite a bit in his failure as NHL player rep. He definitely tried his best and was a leading factor to the lockout(as well as Bettman and company who must share equal blame) but in the end, he had nowhere near the effect on hockey as he had in baseball.
 
worm said:
ya

do people forget that baseball season has twice as many games?

215 million = 107.5m in hockey
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Do people forget how many games starting pitchers actually play in a year? 35 maybe? Kershaw will make about $900,000 per game.
 
AL pitchers though...oh boy

but the 82 vs 162 was more about the revenue

i dont care that forwards (20 mins a game) make more than goalies (60 mins a game)
 
BURG said:
Do people forget how many games starting pitchers actually play in a year? 35 maybe? Kershaw will make about $900,000 per game.
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Bears douche QB, Jay Cutler, will make over a million per game next year whether he actually suits up or not. I don't know how good that pitcher is but I know Cutler is no Tom Brady.
 
Habs_Lifer said:
And if you believe the stories of all the old time pitchers, they used to mess with the ball so it'd dip and dive more when they threw it. Technically speaking, cheating has been apart of baseball since the beginning.
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And if you think that taking a pep pill or scuffing up a baseball is the same as taking HGH then you need to look up "false equivalency" in the dictionary.

As for A-Roid, I couldn't care less if he never plays again. All of his denials and protestations are being made outside of a courtroom, i.e. he isn't under oath. If he were, he'd have no choice but to admit that he has taken banned substances. Either that or face perjury charges. The reduction of his suspension to 162 games is a gift. He should accept it and STFU before he makes his own life any worse than it already is.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
And if you think that taking a pep pill or scuffing up a baseball is the same as taking HGH then you need to look up "false equivalency" in the dictionary.

As for A-Roid, I couldn't care less if he never plays again. All of his denials and protestations are being made outside of a courtroom, i.e. he isn't under oath. If he were, he'd have no choice but to admit that he has taken banned substances. Either that or face perjury charges. The reduction of his suspension to 162 games is a gift. He should accept it and STFU before he makes his own life any worse than it already is.
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It's an extreme comparison, I know but the point is still somewhat valid in that cheating has been apart of baseball longer then steroids. I hate A-Rod as much as the next guy but he's never failed a test. Bonds denied taking steroids too and faced perjury charges and nothing came of it, as did Clemens. Just because you're under oath doesn't mean you have to tell the truth. People lie under oath all the time.
 
Habs_Lifer said:
That is true but I believe that number was negotiated down in the most recent CBA talks(I may be mistaken) which wasn't under Fehr's advisement. Fehr was instrumental in the rise of the MLBPA as well as the massive rise among player salaries and at the time their was no luxury tax system in place which came in 2003. Ironically, 50% of all luxury tax money goes directly to the players fund. And because of Fehr, the MLBPA held far more power than any other sports unions.

That 50% revenue share is a 4-7% decrease than what Bob Goodenow/Ted Saskin negotiated for back in 2004-05. The fact Fehr didn't have any dirty laundry on the owners like he had in the mid-80's factored quite a bit in his failure as NHL player rep. He definitely tried his best and was a leading factor to the lockout(as well as Bettman and company who must share equal blame) but in the end, he had nowhere near the effect on hockey as he had in baseball.
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Baseball has had three consecutive CBAs with no work stoppage.... Fehr negotiated 2 of those 3.

Baseball has also gone the longest without a stoppage.

Yes, he had a long strike in 1994... but that was 20 years ago.

Meanwhile, in hockey... we've had workstoppages, and long ones in each of our last 4 CBAs, only one of which was with Fehr. The constant every time is on the owner's side in the form of Gary Bettman.
 
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