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OT: MLB Thread

TheCountofMonteCristo said:
why would I trade a WS every two years for 35 yrs of mediocrity?
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Because ur Giants were twice very close to moving out of SF, (in 76 to Toronto & in 92 to TBay after Lurie reached a deal w Naimoli), because of putrid attendance at Candlestick Park, prior to Safeway Chairman taking over the reigns, building a new consortium & privately funding the development of Pac Bell Park (now AT&T park).
 
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BKerr said:
1980 27,261
1981 28,418
1982 28,621
1983 28,650
1984 19,957
1985 18,665
1986 14,025
1987 22,844
1988 18,255
1989 22,019
1990 16,952
1991 11,612
1992 20,607
1993 20,265
1994 22,390
1995 18,189
1996 19,959
1997 18,489

A few things we learn from these numbers.

1) Attendance was below average.... from the 1984 season onwards. For all those years... not once did the team average 23,000 per game. That's not good.
2) The major dropoff didn't occur after the strike. Attendance in 1995, 96 and 97 was still poor (about 18,000 a game) but it didn't plummet like it did in 1998.

Seems a bit of revisionist history Sal.

As for history, no, there may not be a Jackie Robinson, but the city of Phoenix has a history of successful minor league hockey clubs.
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Prior to to 1990 (after 83, the end of the golden era), their attendance was typically in the 16th to 20th range; not awesome but not terrible. And if you calculate the variance from the overall average, it's not that bad. Certainly not bad enough to be fatal for a franchise. Compare their numbers to Atlanta and Cleveland.

In the early 90s the numbers were poor, with the exceptions of 94, 95, and 96 which reverted back to the middling performance of the mid-to-late 80s. Then the bottom really drops out...

So, as a rule, I'd say they had mediocre but not catastrophic attendance until '97. But they were not the worst - you would have bet on the Indians and Braves moving before them, their poor numbers were persistent.

So, I'm not ready to crap on the fans. They are rational people, and they knew a ambling zombie when they saw one.

At the end of the day, the fatal problem was with ownership. The tv deal. Cut backs to scouting. The stadium...

Look at how a stadium saved Cleveland.
 
XPOFAN said:
Warren Cromartie ‏
MBP will make Big Announcement in the coming Months!.stay tune!..
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Damn it, I can't wait that long. I don't know if it's something about entering into negotiations with Tampa or it's just something to do with preseason Jay games or a regular season series being played here. Give us a hint Warren!!
 
xposbrad said:
Damn it, I can't wait that long. I don't know if it's something about entering into negotiations with Tampa or it's just something to do with preseason Jay games or a regular season series being played here. Give us a hint Warren!!
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Maybe a consortium of big players like Bell to look into feasibility of acquiring a team or seeking a new franchise.
 
I doubt it's anything big as anything major would be hard to keep under wraps for too long.
 
I think eventually some large investor will look seriously into getting another MLB team into Canada. It's a huge 35 million media market that can support more than one team.
 
wiseguy1 said:
I think eventually some large investor will look seriously into getting another MLB team into Canada. It's a huge 35 million media market that can support more than one team.
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No doubt. I felt that way even while the Expos were leaving. A matter of time, but how long, who knows?

Washington DC waited over 30 years after the Senators moved to Texas.
 
Jesse Sanchez ‏
Teenager Vlad Guerrero Jr. won't be able to sign until July 2 but sources say Angels, Mets & Blue Jays have already shown serious interest.
 
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