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It's also perfectly fine to not like a movie that has good plot, acting, cinematography, etc....simply because it doesn't try to do or say anything more than that.
 
JackBurton said:
That's a fair take.
I do think there's a fear to really compliment a film like Plane, which succeeds so well for what it is trying to accomplish.
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I have never seen a film that made me feel this more than “Hell Or High Water”…..it’s not some artistic masterpiece like No Country…..but goddamn did it ever nail exactly what it intended to be.

I love that feeling, when its palpable how perfectly they executed the vision they had in mind for the film.
JackBurton said:
I also think the Academy's act is getting very tiresome of not nominating anything in Horror or comedy and anything "Serious" is deemed as great art. A lot of the Oscar nominated dramas past few years have been juts brutal.
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social media age really exposed all the tropes of the academy’s selections…..to the point of it becoming self-parody with something like The Green Book.
 
zeke said:
Didn't Avatar and Top Gun get best pic nods this year?
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Yes. The weird decision to have much more than 5 best pic nominees has lead to some commercial films getting nominated.
The Academy thinks you need a disease or some personal crises and scenes of crying to really have a shot at winning an Oscar.
 
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JackBurton said:
I also think the Academy's act is getting very tiresome of not nominating anything in Horror or comedy and anything "Serious" is deemed as great art. A lot of the Oscar nominated dramas past few years have been juts brutal.
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they should really have a category for best 'non-earnest' film....the nominees are obviously biased towards product that reflects "the importance of movies in creating a fairer and just society, blah blah blah, where all of us come together to better love and understand each other"
 
Montana said:
You could not be more wrong….virtually all of Wes’ films have a lot of subtext, if one cares to look for it.

….and I don’t begrudge anyone that chooses to watch films solely for the surface layer, (plenty of people do, and it’s a perfectly acceptable way to indulge in the art form) but to claim it’s about nothing and doesn’t go anywhere is kinda absurd when it’s his most existential, meta film to date by a mile.

…and for those who do like that kind of thing, it would take a minimum of 2-3 viewings to digest it all.
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This sounds like all the people who try to convince me that The Thin Red Line was a great film and not merely a Terence Malick self-indulgent pile of shit.

I get that there's subtext. It's not my first Wes Anderson rodeo. I just wasn't moved as a viewer to care about the subtext nor would I want to invest the time to rewatch it a second or third time just to to finally get what it's about.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I don't really appreciate movies like that generally, where you have to twist and contort and watch it five times and read an online review or two to know what the filmmaker actually intended. I had to basically do that to pass my fucking Civil Procedure class in law school. I don't need that in my entertainment. It's similar to the "you decide what happened!" bullshit that they did at the end of Sopranos. Just fucking show it.

Like another one that I was kinda excited to go to was Tree of Life with Brad Pitt back in the day. Terrence Malick. Fucking outrageously bad. I can't recall if we walked out, but I think we did. What am I to interpret from interstitials featuring dinosaurs or asteroids or whatever the hell else there was? No thanks.
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Malick is the most self-indulgent, pretentious film maker of the last half century. Who else could make a film about the battle of Guadalcanal into a two and a half hour snoozefest?
 
Montana said:
You could not be more wrong….virtually all of Wes’ films have a lot of subtext, if one cares to look for it.

….and I don’t begrudge anyone that chooses to watch films solely for the surface layer, (plenty of people do, and it’s a perfectly acceptable way to indulge in the art form) but to claim it’s about nothing and doesn’t go anywhere is kinda absurd when it’s his most existential, meta film to date by a mile.

…and for those who do like that kind of thing, it would take a minimum of 2-3 viewings to digest it all.
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Early Wes is great, but then for me, he cared too much about how kooky his character’s wardrobes should be.

In Zissou, the main character dies halfway in and nobody in audience gives a shit.

His stuff is still fun to watch if I’m in the right mood. Looking forward to Asteroid City
 
CH1 said:
they should really have a category for best 'non-earnest' film....the nominees are obviously biased towards product that reflects "the importance of movies in creating a fairer and just society, blah blah blah, where all of us come together to better love and understand each other"
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Is it really true tho.

Best pic nominees last year:

Top Gun - straightforward action
Avatar - straightforward action
Everything Everywhere - surreal sci-fi
Elvis - bio-pic with some Bazziness
All Quiet - old school war remake
Fabelmans - spielbergian coming of age
Banshees - quirky comedy-drama
Triangle of sadness - quirky comedy
Tar - woke/anti-woke drama
Women Talking - ok this one sounds like the most typical oscar-bait type of drama
 
"Just fucking show it."

Exactly. At the end of a movie or a TV series finale, how I feel about it depends on the degree of closure it afforded me. If it leaves me hanging, like the Sopranos, I end up being pissed off at having my time wasted. Art imitates life but art isn't actual life. Real life has enough ambiguity to it as it is. When I watch a movie or a show what I want is the satisfaction that real life doesn't offer: closure.

To paraphrase Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross, "Academy Awards and Emmys are for closers".
 
Tbh i couldnt even come up with a best picture list from last year. Not sure there was even one truly excellent movie. Probably should have been a year to nominate more obscure ones that i havent seen - there had to be some good ones somewhwre.
 
zeke said:
Is it really true tho.

Best pic nominees last year:

Top Gun - straightforward action
Avatar - straightforward action
Everything Everywhere - surreal sci-fi
Elvis - bio-pic with some Bazziness
All Quiet - old school war remake
Fabelmans - spielbergian coming of age
Banshees - quirky comedy-drama
Triangle of sadness - quirky comedy
Tar - woke/anti-woke drama
Women Talking - ok this one sounds like the most typical oscar-bait type of drama
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Definitely trying to change things up
 
While they like Oscar bait dramas as best pictures, I think the acting categories are more of an issue.
I thought when Kline won for Wanda it would open the door for comedic performances. Nope. A comedic actor would need to do dramatic work to even be considered.
 
CH1 said:
Early Wes is great, but then for me, he cared too much about how kooky his character’s wardrobes should be.

In Zissou, the main character dies halfway in and nobody in audience gives a shit.

His stuff is still fun to watch if I’m in the right mood. Looking forward to Asteroid City
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He's clearly running on fumes now but that being said French Dispatch was definitely still good so i'm still excited enough to see Asteroid City.
 
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zeke said:
Tbh i couldnt even come up with a best picture list from last year. Not sure there was even one truly excellent movie. Probably should have been a year to nominate more obscure ones that i havent seen - there had to be some good ones somewhwre.
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That's why having 10 nominated films is ludicrous. Use to be 5.
 
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