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LesCanadiens said:
The original post that spawned this "but, but did Trump do this or that" was the Ashely Biden diary where she stated, in her words, that her dad, Joe Biden showered with her when she was 12. I respectfully ask, since it is first, do you admit it's true? Yes or no? And then I'll gladly answer your question.
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I didn't read the diary. If it said that they showered together when she was 12 and she verified that it was true, then obviously that's true. Obviously, there's a ton of missing context and I didn't see anything about her alleging that he molested her.
 
LeafGm said:
Being "anti-fascist" literally just means that he is opposed to fascism. Being a boots-on-the-ground street protester is not the only way to be opposed to something. Just like you qualify as an "anti-masker" even if you never participated in a Freedumb Clownvoy-style street protest.
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except i actually stopped wearing before it was "allowed" so I actually did more than post online.
 
LesCanadiens said:
So your response to the article I posted (that you deleted) is...but....but....but, Trump? Figures. So are you admitting now that yes, the diary is true and Ashley Biden wrote her daddy showered with her when she was 12, but Trump is bad too?
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Has Ashley Biden ever actually accused her dad of doing anything? Has she sued him? Has she even disowned him or refuse to have anything to do with him? The fact that she hasnt indicates that the meaning of her diary entry lacks context. You're merely filling in the blanks to suit your narrative.
 
Wayward DP said:
Contrasted with real activists like yourself who proudly attend the ‘freedom convoy’?
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To be fair, Count has never attended a Klownvoy event. He has even said that he won't vote for Pee-Pee, although he won't vote for Trudeau either and I know he's not voting NDP or Green.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Has Ashley Biden ever actually accused her dad of doing anything? Has she sued him? Has she even disowned him or refuse to have anything to do with him? The fact that she hasnt indicates that the meaning of her diary entry lacks context. You're merely filling in the blanks to suit your narrative.
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From what I can tell, she did not specify what age it was that they showered together that was "probably inappropriate."

This diary was a "stream of consciousness that she wrote when she was in her 20s and going through therapy due to PTSD from a crime committed against her. She has never accused her father of any sort of crime.

She also said people have “grossly” misinterpreted her “once-private writings” and lobbed “false accusations that defame” her character “and those of the people I love.”
 
Habspatrol said:
I didn't read the diary. If it said that they showered together when she was 12 and she verified that it was true, then obviously that's true. Obviously, there's a ton of missing context and I didn't see anything about her alleging that he molested her.
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Then I'm still puzzled why you delete that post, as well as the CNN one about Kamala being for taxpayer funding of transgender surgery for illegal aliens. But either way, moving forward. I'm very thankful and give you full props for your comments. Though it's not crystal clear she's referring to her dad in the following passage, I'd think since dad is in the shower with his 12 year old daughter, it certainly isn't a reach.

"'Hyper-sexualized @ a young age,' Ashley writes in a July 2019 entry. 'What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so —'"

So as promised, my answer to your question if Trump sexually abused multiple women, is, technically no. As he's been found liable for sexual abuse of only one woman, E Jean Carrol, not multiple women.

But regarding that "one". I'll put it in your same words, IF it's true. Then I accept it. The jury believed her side of it in spite of her very dodgy testimony and no proof, just her testimony. And if it did indeed happen, then I condemn Trump for it, 100%. But I reserve some skepticism based on her not even remembering what year this allegedly happened and other dubious parts of her testimony. But it's true, the jury found him liable. Can't deny that one bit.

PS: I was 100% on Johnny Depps side from the moment the accusations of him where made pubic (before the trial), and he's a staunch Trump-hater who's even hinted that Trump should be assassinated. I do not pick my spots.
 
LesCanadiens said:
Then I'm still puzzled why you delete that post, as well as the CNN one about Kamala being for taxpayer funding of transgender surgery for illegal aliens. But either way, moving forward. I'm very thankful and give you full props for your comments. Though it's not crystal clear she's referring to her dad in the following passage, I'd think since dad is in the shower with his 12 year old daughter, it certainly isn't a reach.

"'Hyper-sexualized @ a young age,' Ashley writes in a July 2019 entry. 'What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so —'"
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I deleted it because his daughter NEVER accused him of molesting her and your story asserted that she had accused him of that. Completely fabricated.

Her own words in regard to the accusations... people have “grossly” misinterpreted her “once-private writings” and lobbed “false accusations that defame” her character “and those of the people I love.”

This was, again in her words, a "stream of consciousness" that she wrote when she was in her 20s and going through therapy due to PTSD from a crime committed against her. It was not a daily account from her childhood, written in real time. She has never accused her father of any sort of crime.
 
LesCanadiens said:
So as promised, my answer to your question if Trump sexually abused multiple women, is, technically no. As he's been found liable for sexual abuse of only one woman, E Jean Carrol, not multiple women.

But regarding that "one". I'll put it in your same words, IF it's true. Then I accept it. The jury believed her side of it in spite of her very dodgy testimony and no proof, just her testimony. And if it did indeed happen, then I condemn Trump for it, 100%. But I reserve some skepticism based on her not even remembering what year this allegedly happened and other dubious parts of her testimony. But it's true, the jury found him liable. Can't deny that one bit.
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Whether or not you believe this particular accusation isn't my question. Do you believe that Trump, openly bragged about "kissing women" or "grabbing them by the pussy" and "you don't even have to ask" and has been accused by several women of sexual assault, has, indeed sexually assaulted several women?

Do you believe that Trump has committed many felonies, excluding the sexual assaults?
 
Habspatrol said:
Whether or not you believe this particular accusation isn't my question. Do you believe that Trump, openly bragged about "kissing women" or "grabbing them by the pussy" and "you don't even have to ask" and has been accused by several women of sexual assault, has, indeed sexually assaulted several women?

Do you believe that Trump has committed many felonies, excluding the sexual assaults?
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rich guys shouldn't have to as they have multiple females who will put out for a trip to Cartier or a Vuitton bag but it's a power thing so he probably did.

I doubt Biden did but showering with a 8-10 yr old daughter is "weird" as Democrats would say.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
rich guys shouldn't have to as they have multiple females who will put out for a trip to Cartier or a Vuitton bag but it's a power thing so he probably did.

I doubt Biden did but showering with a 8-10 yr old daughter is "weird" as Democrats would say.
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Can't argue with either of those things.

There would be no "reason" that Trump would have to sexually assault anyone. But as you said, it's not really about "having to." Many rapists are more than capable of getting laid legitimately.

I have yet to see where Biden's daughter said an actual age. She wrote "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)." Was she 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? And what other context is there? Was he in shorts? Was this a regular event, or was there a circumstance that led to it? I mean, literally the only detail we have is her writing "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)."

All the other stuff written appears to be from different parts of the diary that makes reference to sexual trauma and poses questions in search of an explanation for being "hyper-sexualized @ a young age." Along with mentions of not liking to visit a certain family's house, "being sexualized" with a female friend, and "having sex with friends @ a young age,"
 
Habspatrol said:
Whether or not you believe this particular accusation isn't my question. Do you believe that Trump, openly bragged about "kissing women" or "grabbing them by the pussy" and "you don't even have to ask" and has been accused by several women of sexual assault, has, indeed sexually assaulted several women?

Do you believe that Trump has committed many felonies, excluding the sexual assaults?
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I don't have to believe the former, it's true. So, accepted fact. But really, in the big scheme of things, is it a big deal a then private citizen, real estate mogul and celebrity made some remarks about grabbing pussies on a hollywood bus in private with some other celebrity? Haven't you talked shit with your buddies worse than that? I've heard 10x worse by women talking in the same context. This is so much-ado about nothing, IMO.

Being "accused" means shit all. Quite by magic, he's suddenly been accused of all sorts of crap, from pee parties with Russian hookers (based on a fabricated dossier produced by a foreign agent), to being a Russian agent, to being a racist etc etc. All after he chose to run as a Republican. He was adored by the MSM, Hollywood and Democrats and thought of in terms of being one of them, before that. Id say that's a "tad" suspicious timing.

As far as the felonies go, I believe as do many neutral and also left-wing legal analysts, that those charges are horseshit and clearly lawfare. So my prediction here is, they'll all be either dropped altogether, or dismissed on appeal. That so-called bookkeeping case Merchan is residing over is especially laughable on many levels.

So I'll return into your court. If the cases are dropped and/or dismissed on appeal, will you agree that they were bad cases and that Trump is innocent?
 
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