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well, apparently they can't. we have some pretty overwhelming evidence to that effect. the A-rabs (your term) have not seemed to figure out how to extricate religion from politics. how to separate church from state. its not a unique problem, because western civilization took centuries to figure that out too. i'm not saying they won't ultimately get it right, and i certainly hope they get it right sooner rather than later, but as it stands right now, islam seems to be incompatible with a liberal, secular, pluralist democracy governed by the rule of law.
 
Noooooo, it is different because the USA had nothing to do with the beginnings of Arab spring. It was brought about by the people. THE PEOPLE!

The way Iraq should have happened. Not with an invasion and 9 year occupation.

The point is that the intent was the same...and so are the results.

As long as Islam dominates their politics, it's best to stay away from their internal affairs. Unfortunately.....
 
Yep, those A-rabs can't govern themselves. Just like negros and womenfolk. We should have nice whitey-approved dictators in place for them too!

Why don't you make that snarky remark to Coptic Christians, gays and..........womanfolk.

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Christians face waves of persecution

Coptic Christians concerned about future

Many are leaving, fearing radical Islamists will take power and make their faith less tolerated

Fears and worries murmur like prayers beneath the hammered crosses of the Church of the Virgin Mary.

"The whole country will collapse," says Shenouda Nasri.

"I'm trying to get my family out," says Samir Ramsis.

"This is the Islamists' time," says George Saied.

A caretaker sweeps the stones, a woman slips into a pew. But these days Egypt's minority Coptic Christians are finding little serenity. Islamist political candidates, including puritanical Salafis, are dominating parliamentary elections. Sectarianism is intensifying and the patriotic veneer that unified Egyptians in overthrowing longtime ruler Hosni Mubarak is threatened by ultraconservative Muslim clerics whose divisive voices had been sup-pressed by the state for decades.

"Our goal is to achieve an Islamic caliphate with Islamic Shariah rules," Mohamed Zoghbi, a hard-line Salafi preacher, said this year on TV. "If Egypt becomes a caliphate, then the Middle East and Arab countries will follow our path. All Muslim youth should strive and die to build this caliphate even over their own bodies."

Copts are now anxiously watching a theological and political battle sharpen between Muslim parties that are expected to win at least 60 per cent of parliamentary seats after the final round of elections in January. The struggle between the Salafis and the more moderate and popular Muslim Brotherhood will define an emerging political Islam and how deeply religion will be ingrained in public life.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Co...about+future/5851123/story.html#ixzz1iNhKvdjy
 
well, apparently they can't. we have some pretty overwhelming evidence to that effect. the A-rabs (your term) have not seemed to figure out how to extricate religion from politics. how to separate church from state. its not a unique problem, because western civilization took centuries to figure that out too. i'm not saying they won't ultimately get it right, and i certainly hope they get it right sooner rather than later, but as it stands right now, islam seems to be incompatible with a liberal, secular, pluralist democracy governed by the rule of law.

Reality is that political Islam will not fade into the sunset that fast. Most of these countries are facing booming populations and terrible unemployment. Islamist are offering social services to these populations along with the propaganda of religious domination and evil West.

One thing of note. After Libya and Egypt, Western leaders are not so keen on helping Syria or spouting "Arab Spring".
 
Does anyone know the law about videotaping in public in Ontario?

I have a small video camera in the car and something happened earlier on tonight that I wanted to videotape. I didn't because I wasn't sure what the legal implication are, particularly if I put it on youtube.

Don't bother unless you really know. So far, I wasn't able to find a definitive answer on Google.
 
well, apparently they can't. we have some pretty overwhelming evidence to that effect. the A-rabs (your term) have not seemed to figure out how to extricate religion from politics. how to separate church from state. its not a unique problem, because western civilization took centuries to figure that out too. i'm not saying they won't ultimately get it right, and i certainly hope they get it right sooner rather than later, but as it stands right now, islam seems to be incompatible with a liberal, secular, pluralist democracy governed by the rule of law.

But surely implanting harsh dictators who cause people to side with religious extremists can't be your solution? Countries all over the world live in miserable situations, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, etc. but we don't choose their leaders. I had hoped the US had finished its implanting dictators phase after most guys in power in South America turned out to be complete lunatics.
 
well, apparently they can't. we have some pretty overwhelming evidence to that effect. the A-rabs (your term) have not seemed to figure out how to extricate religion from politics. how to separate church from state. its not a unique problem, because western civilization took centuries to figure that out too. i'm not saying they won't ultimately get it right, and i certainly hope they get it right sooner rather than later, but as it stands right now, islam seems to be incompatible with a liberal, secular, pluralist democracy governed by the rule of law.

Now this is some funny shit, coming from a right-winger. They can't separate church from state? What International law does that break? And how is that different from Obama being Muslim (so the accusation goes)? Does Mitt Romney, who hails from a religion that includes polygamists, truly have a chance in hell of winning the candidacy? Why is it that the greatest make-or-break decisions in any GOP primary is how one feels about Roe v. Wade; gay marriage and the use of bibles in schools?
Separation of Church and State? Since when??
 
Does anyone know the law about videotaping in public in Ontario?

I have a small video camera in the car and something happened earlier on tonight that I wanted to videotape. I didn't because I wasn't sure what the legal implication are, particularly if I put it on youtube.

Videotaping someone without their consent can be done all you want - but the court may reject that as evidence. Posting said video on Youtube (or some other online public site) can also land you in some hot water, if the subject in the video chooses to sue.
Example: "Officer Bubbles" of the G20 riots fame, initially said nothing about the raw video of him threatening a G20 protester for blowing bubbles in his direction. The negative publicity that gave him, and his police force, caused him to try to go after Youtube, and all the persons who made comments on the video. Youtube asked all those who made comments to remove their comments, or reveal their true identity so that they could pass that info on to "Bubbles'" lawyers. Nobody complied, because there is no law requiring them to comply with that request.
The video remains up, as there is no broken law, per se, as it was taken on a public street, in full view of, and within a group of, the general public. Multiple officers are in the video, and hence were aware of it. None of them even requested that the camera be shut off. He can try to sue Google (Youtube) and those who commented, but since the video also does not show them requesting the camera to be turned off, and the fact that it was taken in public, on an open street, their chances of winning any restitution in court are slim to none. But I guarantee they never want to cross that officer's path again.
 
LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) — Irate drivers in Africa's most populous nation paid more than twice the usual price Monday after the government quietly removed a long-cherished consumer subsidy that had kept gas affordable, prompting fears of strikes and unrest.

Gas powers Nigeria's generators because the national electricity supply is sporadic at best, and fuel also keeps engines running in traffic that can snarl for hours. The government's announcement — made over a long holiday weekend — drew outrage.

Signs at a few stations put the cost at $3.50 per gallon (94 cents per liter) — just over double Sunday's morning price of about $1.70 per gallon (45 cents per liter).
Only 94 cents a liter?? Those were the days...
 
I'm really confused about this videotaping thing. Several months ago, I nearly shoved a camcorder up someones ass because he was videotaping my wife and me and refused to stop when I asked him too. I broke his camera and the cop said that I had a right not to be videotaped. We walked away with no charges or having to pay for the video camera.

Last night, about two in the morning, I was coming home and saw a woman wondering around in one of the deadliest intersections in the area. I was about to call 911 and started vidotaping when the cop car showed up. No, I'm not morbid, but I'm not about to get out and try to wrestle a 400++ pound woman that was either high or mentally ridiculous off the streets. I thought that at the very least, if someone hits her, I had the evidence.

Which brings up the videotape legality issue again.
 
A third eye to see you better....:rolleyes(2):

It's a cell phone size cam that I put on my bike when I tour. In the winter, I throw it in the car.

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Meanwhile, is it legal?
 
But surely implanting harsh dictators who cause people to side with religious extremists can't be your solution? Countries all over the world live in miserable situations, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, etc. but we don't choose their leaders. I had hoped the US had finished its implanting dictators phase after most guys in power in South America turned out to be complete lunatics.

please demonstrate for me how the US is "implanting a harsh dictator" in egypt right now? all by themselves, egyptians appear to be choosing a combination of islamic fundamentalists and EXTREME islamic fundamentalists to form their next gov't, while hopeychange's regime in washington has mouthed nice platitudes and smiled on it all from the sidelines.
 
Now this is some funny shit, coming from a right-winger. They can't separate church from state? What International law does that break? And how is that different from Obama being Muslim (so the accusation goes)? Does Mitt Romney, who hails from a religion that includes polygamists, truly have a chance in hell of winning the candidacy? Why is it that the greatest make-or-break decisions in any GOP primary is how one feels about Roe v. Wade; gay marriage and the use of bibles in schools?
Separation of Church and State? Since when??

i'm sorry, but there's nothing even remotely coherent in that statement that i can respond to.
 
heh.

the whacko anti-gay anti-abortion anti-sex anti-everything morality-legislating wackos are crying about the towelheads not separating church from state.

awesome.
 
well, apparently they can't. we have some pretty overwhelming evidence to that effect. the A-rabs (your term) have not seemed to figure out how to extricate religion from politics. how to separate church from state. its not a unique problem, because western civilization took centuries to figure that out too. i'm not saying they won't ultimately get it right, and i certainly hope they get it right sooner rather than later, but as it stands right now, islam seems to be incompatible with a liberal, secular, pluralist democracy governed by the rule of law.

separation of church and state, mmm you might want to tell the Reps running for Pres who fall over themselves saying they are Christian, anti choice etc

and yes Krauthammerboy, I do know what separation of church and state really means
 
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