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msun30 said:
you're never going to stamp out demand.

i also love the 'you're wrong.. the problem isn't just the production'.

no. but it's by far the biggest issue.

why is this problematic at all? because children are being exploited. who is exploiting the children? the people producing it.

resources should be dedicated to actually dealing with the problem, and imo these raids don't accomplish much. the root of the problem is the people producing it, and that is where the government's efforts should be focused.
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Leafovic said:
I agree with msun, its about production. Go hard after that.
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How do you go after production? Production is a 200 buck video camera and a sick mind.

You are not going to stamp out child porn until you completely run amok on privacy. Period. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to accept that. There are 350 million internet users in US and Canada. They catch 50 and "child porn is rampant". No it isn't. Those who are in it are relatively very few and they have to hunt for it in the deepest crevices of the internet.
 
LeafGm said:
It's a pretty slippery slope when you're willing to sacrifice your personal liberties in the name of "public safety". Child porn is a heinous thing and has to be combatted, but if the cost of making it easier for law enforcement to do so means that I have to submit to the authorities being able to track my movements and monitor all of my online and mobile/cell phone activity with no warrant and no probable cause, then F U C K THAT. We have a judiciary for a reason, and it's more than a little distubing how eager government and law enforcement is these days to strip them of their power and bypass them completely.
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Absolutely agree with you.

Those same authorities jump at the opportunity to strip us of our privacy under the guise of fighting child porn.

I hear there is no gay and child porn in Iran or Saudi Arabia. I wonder why? :rolleyes(2):
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Yes prevalent.
**** sakes, they have 8000 IP addresses that can do nothing about.
That's around here, who knows world-wide.
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That's just my point though. 8000 people, as bad as that is, is roughly .025% of Canadians. How much are the 99.975% supposed to give up because the .025% have a problem with CP?

It's a completely ****ed up situation, but there has to be a way to charge and successfully prosecute these people.
I'd sure as hell like it at no expense to my freedom, but I believe there has to be a common sense solution.
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Let's figure out an intelligent solution. "Common Sense" is one of the most useless, political buzzwords of the modern era.

You guys have no idea, and I'm never going to repeat some of the stuff my wife has had to get off her chest whenever she's has to deal with it, but we HAVE to find a way to close off every loophole.
Yeah they'll always be around, but we shouldn't make it easy for them.
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That's what I'm getting at though. I'm pretty internet savvy. I can generally get my hands on whatever content I want (movies, music, academic research, piles of data on just about anything I want, etc, etc, etc) and even I wouldn't know the first ****ing place to go looking for the stuff. I know where it's a bit of a ****ed up cultural joke (/b/ on 4chan). Even when we start getting into directly discussing porn...again, I can get my hands on anything I've ever gone looking for. I have en ex from highschool who did 2 bondage flicks like 10 years ago and without even knowing her porn name, found them in like 25 minutes...and I wouldn't know the first ****ing place to go looking for it.

I'm not going to argue that it's not a problem...any time children are exploited there is obviously a problem. I'm not going to argue the fact that we should have reasonable laws in place to prosecute people caught with the material. What I'm arguing is that it's not "prevalent" and that it's already only available in the deepest, darkest bowels of the internet. Existing laws and cultural views on it have already done a good job of pushing it not just to the fringes, but to the fringes of the fringes.
 
LeafGm said:
It's a pretty slippery slope when you're willing to sacrifice your personal liberties in the name of "public safety". Child porn is a heinous thing and has to be combatted, but if the cost of making it easier for law enforcement to do so means that I have to submit to the authorities being able to track my movements and monitor all of my online and mobile/cell phone activity with no warrant and no probable cause, then F U C K THAT. We have a judiciary for a reason, and it's more than a little distubing how eager government and law enforcement is these days to strip them of their power and bypass them completely.
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I would happily buy you a lap dance for this man. +1
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
The reason I'm so vehement about this is; you can't un-hear something...I can't un-know the stuff I know now.
Though there are good people on the planet, the majority of my misanthropy came after my wife started working for the cops.
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And she cam in contact with what? .000001 percent of the population? Give or take a zero?

There will always be sick minds. From the time we descended from trees and our first ancestors tried to hump zebras and killed their young, to now, there is always a very, very small part of the population that will do sick things.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
You're wrong, but I can understand you wanting to believe that. It's a nicer world that way.
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No I believe you, bbw. The other thing about internet anonymity is that people are more truthful. I've always been very open sexually, if somebody asks me a question, I answer, I'm not shy on that stuff. Almost everyone now is like that because of the net. And I have to tell you, while I'm not confident on the numbers of people into child porn (which is basically 12yrs and under) I can tell you from talking to enough straight and gay people, that almost every guy within them has this attitude of no limits when it comes to sex. That tells you what you need to know in terms of what's really going on out there..and what could be if there wasn't fear etc
 
HabsAddict said:
You Google porn too? :smilielol5:
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Most pointless joke ever.

Porn sites suck up a lot of bandwidth and normally have sponsors. None of those sponsors in ANY Western country wants to have anything to do with sites that smell of child porn.

About 20 years ago, before the internet took over porn, I looked at investing in an adult video store chain. Enormous profits were to be made. In my usual due diligence, one of my concerns was illegal content. I found that the legitimate players and sources in the industry made sure their product was clean.
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The world of internet porn can often take you off of the beaten path....and even there...nothing even close.
 
MindzEye said:
That's what I'm getting at though. I'm pretty internet savvy. I can generally get my hands on whatever content I want (movies, music, academic research, piles of data on just about anything I want, etc, etc, etc) and even I wouldn't know the first ****ing place to go looking for the stuff. I know where it's a bit of a ****ed up cultural joke (/b/ on 4chan). Even when we start getting into directly discussing porn...again, I can get my hands on anything I've ever gone looking for. I have en ex from highschool who did 2 bondage flicks like 10 years ago and without even knowing her porn name, found them in like 25 minutes...and I wouldn't know the first ****ing place to go looking for it.

I'm not going to argue that it's not a problem...any time children are exploited there is obviously a problem. I'm not going to argue the fact that we should have reasonable laws in place to prosecute people caught with the material. What I'm arguing is that it's not "prevalent" and that it's already only available in the deepest, darkest bowels of the internet. Existing laws and cultural views on it have already done a good job of pushing it not just to the fringes, but to the fringes of the fringes.
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I bet anything that the minute you go looking for it, you probably run into police sting operations and become one of the 8,000 IP addresses.

It's not rampant despite the rhetoric. By it's very nature, you have to know and be known to get the child porn and that in itself is a very small number.
 
HabsAddict said:
Porn sites suck up a lot of bandwidth and normally have sponsors. None of those sponsors in ANY Western country wants to have anything to do with sites that smell of child porn.

About 20 years ago, before the internet took over porn, I looked at investing in an adult video store chain. Enormous profits were to be made. In my usual due diligence, one of my concerns was illegal content. I found that the legitimate players and sources in the industry made sure their product was clean.
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Traci Lords sends her regards.
 
HabsAddict said:
I hear there is no gay and child porn in Iran or Saudi Arabia. I wonder why? :rolleyes(2):
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Faux News lied to you again. In countries where children are recruited for the military and married before they even finish puberty, there is zero regard towards protecting them.
 
Trudeau triggered the controversy in a weekend radio interview, in which he said he might want Quebec to separate if he felt Canadians really shared the values espoused by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives.


He described the Tories as being opposed to abortion rights and gay rights and said they are moving the country backwards.
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Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/...deau-speratist-comments-120214/#ixzz1mOos1hts

Strong words from Pierre's offspring towards the direction Harper's Tories are taking us. While he loathes a separate Quebec as much as any other sane individual, he loathes Harper's direction even more so, and would rather be in a separate Quebec than living under Harper's path. It's hard to disagree.
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EDMONTON — Pharmacists will earn $20 each time they renew a prescription starting July 1 as the government brings in a new compensation model that aims to save people money and improve access to care.

People will be able to head to their local pharmacy and get a renewal for their blood pressure medication, birth control pills or asthma inhalers without waiting weeks to get into their family doctor’s office.

The move will cost Alberta Health and Wellness $20 million this year, but will save the province money, in part because pharmacists will be paid $20 for each renewal compared to the $35 currently paid to doctors for the same job. That will free up doctors to spend more time with other patients.
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Are you paying attention, Mr. McGuinty?
 
blacksheep said:

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/...deau-speratist-comments-120214/#ixzz1mOos1hts

Strong words from Pierre's offspring towards the direction Harper's Tories are taking us. While he loathes a separate Quebec as much as any other sane individual, he loathes Harper's direction even more so, and would rather be in a separate Quebec than living under Harper's path. It's hard to disagree.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The differences in governance between the Liberals and Conservatives are marginal at best. Our daily lives haven't changed much under the transition from Martin to Harper and I doubt very many people take what that effeminate little pantywaist says seriously. He's a national embarrassment just like his dumbass father, the worst PM this nation has ever seen. His desperation is palpable though.
 
If you read his comments in full context it's a pretty good point. He didn't actually say that the Conservatives are governing much didfferent. He basically said "if". And you would have a lot of people agree that Canada is really a nation that was always more left and that its hard for many to see Canada as anything else..a Canada that was against gay rights, etc
 
So Quebec turning into a third-world welfare state benefits their citizens because they simply don't like the governing federalist party? What kind of inane logic is that? It was a totally irresponsible, idiotic comment that shouldn't be surprising coming from the same man that defended honour killings.
 
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