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blacksheep said:
Welcome to the paradigm shift of social media influence.
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I'm mixed on this one. I'm assuming the charge stems from the additional shots fired, not the ones that put the Yatim down. Now the question is, is this a reaction to the public out cry or is it actually based on the investigators/crown belief that they have enough evidence to support a second degree murder charge?

I for one wish Yatim would have just put down the knife, or better yet, not had a the knife in the first place.
 
I read an article somwhere in the aftermath that wasn't directly related, but still related...it was interviewing all these police officers who admit their behaviour has changed considerably now that they know it's likely a camera is recording them somwhere. Can't see how that's a bad thing.
 
voyager said:
I'm mixed on this one. I'm assuming the charge stems from the additional shots fired, not the ones that put the Yatim down. Now the question is, is this a reaction to the public out cry or is it actually based on the investigators/crown belief that they have enough evidence to support a second degree murder charge?

I for one wish Yatim would have just put down the knife, or better yet, not had a the knife in the first place.
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Yea. Gotta think if he didn't clear out a street car with a knife in one hand and his dick in the other, that none of this would have happened.
 
zeke said:
I read an article somwhere in the aftermath that wasn't directly related, but still related...it was interviewing all these police officers who admit their behaviour has changed considerably now that they know it's likely a camera is recording them somwhere. Can't see how that's a bad thing.
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Cameras scare me. Not because I'm doing something wrong, but because without the they don't provide context. I've been recorded struggling with a patient with excited delerium. When the video was taken there was myself, my partner and two cops trying to keep this guy down and secure him to the stretcher. Half way during the struggle I looked up and noticed someone was holding a cell phone taking a video of us (thankfully it was a crappy flip phone so all they most likely got was grainy pixels). But without knowing what was happening it could easily look like we were kidnapping someone.

Videos provide very limited information. But they allow people to believe they know everything.
 
I wouldn't want someone taking pictures of me randomly at work.

Sometimes I am reading nonsense websites and scratching my balls. I'm sure it wouldn't look "professional".
 
2nd degree murder charge.

By the time it is plead down it will probably be manslaughter or some lesser charge. I doubt he sees any serious time. From what I read, being a cop in the joint is no fun.
 
HabsAddict said:
I don't think anyone could "hear" explosion with a rumbling building coming down. Plus, steel can make a pretty loud twang when joints fails....or massive pieces of steel whacking each other.
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Plus how many refrigerators, microwaves, stoves, vending machines, tv's, computer monitors, etc... were in the buildings?

Most offices have at least somewhat functional kitchens in them.
 
corksens said:
I wouldn't want someone taking pictures of me randomly at work.

Sometimes I am reading nonsense websites and scratching my balls. I'm sure it wouldn't look "professional".
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No wonder KB despises the fact that you make more than he and drive a Bmer. You can do it while scratching your balls at home.
He had to join Ontario's biggest union and post from his work computer on this forum all day just to get $80G. It's not fair! lol.
 
voyager said:
I'm mixed on this one. I'm assuming the charge stems from the additional shots fired, not the ones that put the Yatim down. Now the question is, is this a reaction to the public out cry or is it actually based on the investigators/crown belief that they have enough evidence to support a second degree murder charge?

I for one wish Yatim would have just put down the knife, or better yet, not had a the knife in the first place.
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I haven't found a link to the SIU's report, but if someone does, please post it. I am assuming as you are that the charge is from the additional shots after the pause. (I wonder if the other officer who shot the taser at the end of it all will be charged?)
As for why the charge, I don't think it's entirely because of the outrage, but I do believe the charges would not have been laid at all without eye witness video <-- the source of the outrage to begin with.

voyager said:
Cameras scare me. Not because I'm doing something wrong, but because without the they don't provide context. I've been recorded struggling with a patient with excited delerium. When the video was taken there was myself, my partner and two cops trying to keep this guy down and secure him to the stretcher. Half way during the struggle I looked up and noticed someone was holding a cell phone taking a video of us (thankfully it was a crappy flip phone so all they most likely got was grainy pixels). But without knowing what was happening it could easily look like we were kidnapping someone.

Videos provide very limited information. But they allow people to believe they know everything.
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Depends.
If it's cameras on a cell phone, such as the Yatim killing, where the start of the video is after police arrive on scene, then some context is lost, yes. Remember the Rodney King beating? We only see several officers kicking the shit out of a drunken King. What we DON'T see is the more than an hour long police chase were several cars tried to stop him as he raced away from them. The pedestrians nearly flattened by him as he ran. The parked cars and other cars he damaged along the way. None of which justified the beating, but certainly kills the poor, innocent "done no harm" image he was originally portrayed as.
In the case of Yatim, the eyewitness video clearly shows a long pause between shots. Without that video, we'd all be reading media reports and hearing police say that nine shots were fired, with no pause mentioned. We'd all think it took nine shots to down a crazed young man with a knife who refused the orders of police. The long pause, and the final taser, is what most people think was over the top. Nobody I know argues the first couple shots, especially since the officer had been screaming for him to drop the knife several times before shooting. A policeman has a dirty job to do, and the first couple shots is acceptable for any sane person viewing the video. It's the long pause, and the spray of bullets after that which make little sense to someone with just a knife, in a confined space, with no hostages.
I like the cameras, but prefer if they are running all the time. Some cops are wearing a camera full time on their uniforms as a test project, to see how the general public react when they know they're being recorded. If they can be running all the time, like a security camera, and can catch the entire event from start to finish, it's safer for BOTH the officers and us, IMO.
 
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Mr. Pistorius, who has been out on bail since February, will remain free until his trial, which was set for March 3.

At the hearing Monday, the state prosecution released a copy of its lengthy indictment of Mr. Pistorius, outlining its case that he intentionally shot his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, while she was behind a locked bathroom door on the morning of last Feb. 14.

Prosecutors listed more than 100 witnesses to be called during the trial.

Mr. Pistorius has admitted opening fire in his upscale home in the South African capital, Pretoria, but he says that he believed he had been shooting an intruder. The prosecution contends that Mr. Pistorius planned to kill whoever was behind the door, and that even if he mistakenly killed Ms. Steenkamp, he is still guilty of murder.

There is no death penalty in South Africa, where the mandatory sentence for premeditated murder is life, with a minimum of 25 years in prison.
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Another non-surprise.
Whether he knew it was his girlfriend or not, it's still murder. Second degree, or manslaughter, at least, IMO.
 
To me, it's silly that ALL cop cars don't have dash cams at this point. And yeah, having it on the cops themselves is probably not a bad idea (though a bit more expensive and unreliable).
 
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A man has been found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound inside singer Olivia Newton-John's home in Florida, local media report.

Ms Newton-John's family was not home at the time of the shooting and the man was not a family member, police said.

The Palm Beach Post reported construction was being done on the home near Palm Beach and a worker could be seen crying.

Police were investigating, although they said it appeared to be a suicide.

The property in Jupiter Inlet Colony is owned by Ms Newton-John and her husband, according to public records.
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That's odd...
 
johnunit said:
To me, it's silly that ALL cop cars don't have dash cams at this point. And yeah, having it on the cops themselves is probably not a bad idea (though a bit more expensive and unreliable).
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Especially given how cheap they are. You and I can add a dash cam in our own cars for about $69.
 
blacksheep said:
Especially given how cheap they are. You and I can add a dash cam in our own cars for about $69.
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Sort of. I happen to have one of those 60 dollar dashcams. One that holds enough data for a full shift, and has GPS/speed data for legal purposes is more like 200+. And then you get into administrative issues around storing old data and preventing "lost data" and "broken cameras."

But yeah, it's a no brainer from the perspective of a law-abiding citizen. Hell, I personally would have saved myself fighting a ticket a few years ago if the cop had a dashcam.
 
johnunit said:
Sort of. I happen to have one of those 60 dollar dashcams. One that holds enough data for a full shift, and has GPS/speed data for legal purposes is more like 200+. And then you get into administrative issues around storing old data and preventing "lost data" and "broken cameras."

But yeah, it's a no brainer from the perspective of a law-abiding citizen. Hell, I personally would have saved myself fighting a ticket a few years ago if the cop had a dashcam.
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One kid with his first car got the ticket undone and won a lawsuit against the cop just for having a dash cam. You can't see the officer, since he's standing by the driver's door, but you can clearly hear his voice threatening to bust the kid's lights to add to his fines, and generally being an overall asswipe with multiple threats. Supposedly, the kid was speeding, and when he denied it, the cop got all high and mighty on him. The audio was played to the Crown, and his ticket was torn up. He then sued, based on the recorded evidence. (this was in the U.S.)
 
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