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OT: The News Thread

Wayward DP said:
I appreciate this, which is why I keep saying I know I am biased.

the recent examples I have experienced seem much more egregious in my view.

people refusing to talk on the phone makes my job significantly more difficult. some conversations are best had in person. and it is often more efficient to do so anyways. one phone call can often save hours of emails. it's disingenuous to pretend that all forms of communication are equal at all times (I'm not suggesting you are doing this, just a larger point).

again, for some jobs, sure. for the work I do? in-person attendance is essential for certain tasks.

and that's not even discussing teambuilding, morale, etc.

yah I mean if you're gonna criticize the youngs then the olds are fair game too, no complaints here.

I'm gonna go with both here.

they still support the Dems less than in 2016 and in 2020, when Gen Z made up a smaller part of the electorate.

definitely interesting and worth exploring.
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In person or virtual? Fine. Telephone? Die.

And everybody under 65 trended that way re trump.


Some other cool data here
www.pewresearch.org

2. Voting patterns in the 2024 election

Voting patterns among many demographic groups in 2024 were similar to those in 2020 and 2016, but Trump made gains among several key groups, a Pew Research Center analysis shows.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 
worm said:
In person or virtual? Fine. Telephone? Die.

And everybody under 65 trended that way re trump.


Some other cool data here
www.pewresearch.org

2. Voting patterns in the 2024 election

Voting patterns among many demographic groups in 2024 were similar to those in 2020 and 2016, but Trump made gains among several key groups, a Pew Research Center analysis shows.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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a Teams video call is usually an acceptable substitute for a phone call, I will give you that.

but even still, when assessing credibility, it's much easier in person than virtually. there are good reasons for insisting something like discovery examinations be done in person.
 
MindzEye said:
So yeah, I think we always need to keep the "old man shaking his fist at clouds" syndrome in the front of our minds when analyzing this, but I also don't think that we need to be 100% relativisitic about it either. Social/cultural things can tilt towards broadly good or broadly bad and sweeping all criticisms under the rug because something something cranky old people are cranky is dumb. A number of the things mentioned here simply seem to produce bad outcomes.

I think we can pretty comfortably say at this point that the style of socialization and communication by Gen Z produces poorer social happiness outcomes. Monstrously higher rates of anxiety and depression among other disorders...which yes, is at least partially from a decreased or non existent stigma regarding mental health with that generation (ironically...good) but there's been too much data generated on the mental health improvements that come from various types of "touching grass" for us to conclude that it's all from the willingness to self report on surveys across generations. A fair part of their mental health problems come from how they choose to interact with the world (which of course is at least partially influenced by how they were raised....) and we should be pushing back on some of it.
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Oh ya. Mental health stuff is interesting.

I do have moments of "in my day kids did...." then I remember in my parents day they were child labour (farming)
 
worm said:
Oh ya. Mental health stuff is interesting.

I do have moments of "in my day kids did...." then I remember in my parents day they were child labour (farming)
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as always, there's a balance to be struck, and it's hard to get it just right. my concern now is that the pendulum has swung too far in response to where it was when we were growing up.

I mean, I can think of examples from my own childhood. first ever canoe trip I went on, I was 11 years old. 3-day trip in the Frost Centre. I cried basically the whole trip. but, if not for that experience, I probably would not have gone on the 5-day French River trip when I was 16. and then the multiple 7-day trips after that. and so on as an adult. that formative experience was huge. it sucked at the time but was well worth it. in today's world, I feel like something like what happened to me would be frowned up, discourage, or just no longer permitted.

I fear that we have decided it is no longer acceptable or desired to challenge children and push them out of their comfort zones, which in my view is where you get some of the best and most meaningful growth. but I guess we're deviating from where we started...
 
Wayward DP said:
a Teams video call is usually an acceptable substitute for a phone call, I will give you that.

but even still, when assessing credibility, it's much easier in person than virtually. there are good reasons for insisting something like discovery examinations be done in person.
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The pretty obvious answer is that everyone should be able to communicate functionally across every medium. Writing an email is easy. Having a 3 minute conversation is easy. Logging into a video call is easy. Sending a text is easy. They all have their place and time....and yes, whoever is in charge gets to dictate which mediums are most appropriate for whatever situation...that's just life.

I want to roll up in a ball and cry when I make eye contact with another human while I make sounds with my mouth is a fucking horrible excuse for requiring to type out everything you want to say and we should 100% be trying to beat that out of them.
 
MindzEye said:
The pretty obvious answer is that everyone should be able to communicate functionally across every medium. Writing an email is easy. Having a 3 minute conversation is easy. Logging into a video call is easy. Sending a text is easy. They all have their place and time....and yes, whoever is in charge gets to dictate which mediums are most appropriate for whatever situation...that's just life.

I want to roll up in a ball and cry when I make eye contact with another human while I make sounds with my mouth is a fucking horrible excuse for requiring to type out everything you want to say and we should 100% be trying to beat that out of them.
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Talking on the phone though... Stupid.
 
Wayward DP said:
as always, there's a balance to be struck, and it's hard to get it just right. my concern now is that the pendulum has swung too far in response to where it was when we were growing up.

I mean, I can think of examples from my own childhood. first ever canoe trip I went on, I was 11 years old. 3-day trip in the Frost Centre. I cried basically the whole trip. but, if not for that experience, I probably would not have gone on the 5-day French River trip when I was 16. and then the multiple 7-day trips after that. and so on as an adult. that formative experience was huge. it sucked at the time but was well worth it. in today's world, I feel like something like what happened to me would be frowned up, discourage, or just no longer permitted.

I fear that we have decided it is no longer acceptable or desired to challenge children and push them out of their comfort zones, which in my view is where you get some of the best and most meaningful growth. but I guess we're deviating from where we started...
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Take comfort it knowing that it's fine.

If you want some light reading. I suggest everything bad for you is good
 
The concerns I have with the next generation is...are you racist? Are you a homophobe? Are you sexist? Do you hate the poor? Etc

Basic humanity stuff. Because the older generations have improved over time and it needs to continue that way and not revert.
 
MindzEye said:
Nah, sometimes 3 minutes of back and forth can save a bundle of wasted typing time, set better expectations. I have clients who are a bit weird and a bit demanding, and I won't shoot a project for them without a project call. Time and place for everything.
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Video call pls
 
MindzEye said:
I take it back. That is a medium that has no functional use aside from a boss ensuring that you're wearing pants at 1pm.

Unless you're having me on your podcast which is also a youtube show, what in the fuck are we on video for?
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So I can look into your soul
 
worm said:
So I can look into your soul
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Let me save you the time


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worm said:
The concerns I have with the next generation is...are you racist? Are you a homophobe? Are you sexist? Do you hate the poor? Etc

Basic humanity stuff. Because the older generations have improved over time and it needs to continue that way and not revert.
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this is fair and I appreciate this perspective.

but I am also no less concerned using this frame vs. the previous one we discussed. the next generation is... kinda racist, super homophobic, increasingly sexist, and hates the fucking poor. or at least, it seems that way based on how they voted federally.

obviously Mamdani puts a bit of a wrench in that equation
 
I am definitely becoming old man cloudy, but I am less and less convinced by the benefits of a lot of technology on our well being as a society. I also think, just as a dumb animal, we aren't well equipped to handle big changes at the rate at which it's occuring in a healthy way.
 
Aberdeen said:
I am definitely becoming old man cloudy, but I am less and less convinced by the benefits of a lot of technology on our well being as a society. I also think, just as a dumb animal, we aren't well equipped to handle big changes at the rate at which it's occuring in a healthy way.
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Yeah, this is more or less how I feel. If all of this "efficiency" was leading to better human outcomes, I'd be entirely good with it all. But it just seems to be increasing unhappiness.
 
so I pulled this from the Pew link @worm provided earlier (thanks!)

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millennials are born up to 1996. gen Z starts in 1997. so you cannot see a perfect divide.

BUT, from 2016, millennials + gen Z went from +37 Dem to only +13 in 2024.

even if you exclude 2016 cause the sample size is small, you're still looking at moving from +26 dem to +13 in only four years. and I would assume that in 2024, there are a LOT more gen Z voters than in 2020.
 
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