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MindzEye
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Well, the worst minus. Serge and Pascal were also minus on the night.
MindzEye
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Tonight: -5
SAS: -18
Hornets: +5 (lowest of the starters by a lot)
Blazers: -1
Nets: -1 (only starter who was a minus, 2nd worst was +8)
Heat: -4
Cavs: +6 (only starters not + double digits)
Thunder: -10 (worst on team by a lot)
Celts: +9 (18 points, legit good game)
Celts: -22 (worst on the team by a lot)
This guy gets caved in, a lot. Almost always the worst player on the court for us, and almost always a net negative. But he's getting fucking starters minutes.
It's nuts.
Raptors are 5-5 over those 10 games. 3 of those losses were by 2 points or less. McCaw was a combined -27 in those 3 games, in 27 minutes a game.
Just sticking him on the end of the bench in those 3 games could have easily led to wins in all 3.
SAS: -18
Hornets: +5 (lowest of the starters by a lot)
Blazers: -1
Nets: -1 (only starter who was a minus, 2nd worst was +8)
Heat: -4
Cavs: +6 (only starters not + double digits)
Thunder: -10 (worst on team by a lot)
Celts: +9 (18 points, legit good game)
Celts: -22 (worst on the team by a lot)
This guy gets caved in, a lot. Almost always the worst player on the court for us, and almost always a net negative. But he's getting fucking starters minutes.
It's nuts.
Raptors are 5-5 over those 10 games. 3 of those losses were by 2 points or less. McCaw was a combined -27 in those 3 games, in 27 minutes a game.
Just sticking him on the end of the bench in those 3 games could have easily led to wins in all 3.
HabsFan1
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Yeah I ain’t getting it either. Davis has proven to me and a lot of others that he is a better option than McCaw. I don’t understand that one at all.
I get the Serge over Boucher one MOST of the time , but Chris has come up huge before and deserves more time at some point. I’m not quite sure Masai won’t try to include him in a deal this year to get something while he has proved to produce. (Chris that is)
I get the Serge over Boucher one MOST of the time , but Chris has come up huge before and deserves more time at some point. I’m not quite sure Masai won’t try to include him in a deal this year to get something while he has proved to produce. (Chris that is)
LeafOfFaith
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Neck and neck. Unless that positive or minus preceding the number, or the order of the numbers, matter.
MindzEye
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Even if McCaw was a +36 and not a -36, the difference between +36 and +63 is significant. Over those same 10 games, Kyle fucking Lowry (who is a massive analytics darling) is a +35.
So yeah, that's how good TD has been (granted, against lesser competition in a number of those games...not all, but a number of them).
Just to underline this point, here's the +/- for the rotation during that time
Davis: +63
OG: +42
Lowry: +36
Serge: +25
Oshae: +23
Gasol: +16 (1 game)
FVV: +12 (6 games)
Boucher: +12 (9 games)
Norm: +7 (2 games)
Pascal: +5 (2 games)
RHJ: -17
McCaw: -36
Basically, McCaw is a bum who is gutting us single handedly whenever he's on the court. On a team with probably the deepest rotation in the league, he drags everyone around him down.
MindzEye
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With how well Norm and TD played, I'd even like to see us switch the rotation around and start using Lowry/FVV as a true point guard tandem. If you want Lowry-FVV together for closing time (last 5 minutes of a close game)...sure. But to limit minutes (both are playing too much when healthy for my taste), I'd be entirely good with Lowry-Norm as our starters and FVV-TD as the guard duo off the bench with Thomas coming in as a professional shooter whenever needed.
Starter: Lowry-Norm-OG-Siakam-Gasol
Bench: FVV-TD-Jefferson-Boucher-Serge
Both units have guys who can make and create their own offence, both units can defend their dicks off.
Starter: Lowry-Norm-OG-Siakam-Gasol
Bench: FVV-TD-Jefferson-Boucher-Serge
Both units have guys who can make and create their own offence, both units can defend their dicks off.
zeke
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Yeah Norm is definitely making that a real possibility.....though i still don't actually trust him yet.
Boucher seems to me to really need minutes because when you're trotting out a bench unit with ibaka/rhj/mccaw then suddenly you have a lineup with a serious lack of outside shooting.
Boucher seems to me to really need minutes because when you're trotting out a bench unit with ibaka/rhj/mccaw then suddenly you have a lineup with a serious lack of outside shooting.
Do you think FVV is a legit star type replacement for Kyle or simply a solid third guard in a rotation getting his 25-30 minutes a night with good stats .
Not sure ponying up 20 mil is the answer , his role might be that of Vinnie Johnson stud bench player
MindzEye
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FVV is a solid but not great starting guard in my opinion, who as long as he's your 3rd option you're probably a contender level club. 20 million x 4 would be a steal for him with where NBA salaries are going.
The Microwave was only a bench player because he spent his career behind two all NBA guards.